Knightime Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In American Football the NFL (USA) are considering putting a team in London because they fill stadiums - with the BSPA having downgraded the sport here to the Premier level a lot of fans are very disappointed - imagine the gates/interest if a top level team riding in the Polish League was based here - a money making opportunity if ever I saw one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In American Football the NFL (USA) are considering putting a team in London because they fill stadiums - with the BSPA having downgraded the sport here to the Premier level a lot of fans are very disappointed - imagine the gates/interest if a top level team riding in the Polish League was based here - a money making opportunity if ever I saw one! Never happen.In Hamburg our Ice Hockey team closed down last season despite crowds of 7,000.The Russian League looked into starting a team here as they have done in a few other countries(so i have heard),but of course this idea was blocked by the German Budesliga as it was seen as a competitor.The same as the BSPA would turn down this idea as fighting against their own leagues Nice idea,but a definite no-goer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I don't see how the BSPA can stop you affiliating with the Polish league. Would be naff all to do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In American Football the NFL (USA) are considering putting a team in London because they fill stadiums - with the BSPA having downgraded the sport here to the Premier level a lot of fans are very disappointed - imagine the gates/interest if a top level team riding in the Polish League was based here - a money making opportunity if ever I saw one! Thought something similar however, I think you would still struggle to get a competitive team given the amount of cash paid in Poland as you are in the market for the same riders and would have to offer at least parity to make them want to ride for you. £10 - £15k (at least) per home match for three to four riders (and double that for the away meeting you pay for) would not be a money maker I would suggest. You would have to charge at least £20 and hope for a 5000 - 6000 minimum attendance every fortnight. Maybe given the initial novelty value the first matches may attract that kind of crowd at somewhere like Poole but not sure if those crowd levels would be sustainable ongoing even there... I thought maybe entering if possible the Swedish League as lower costs but often the same riders Poland use...? Maybe that could attract enough of a crowd and sponsorship to be financially viable for a track to take the risk? And maybe become a precursor to a Euro League? A good radical proposal though Knightime.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think you couldn't load the team with stars, you would load it with brits (perhaps the odd aussie) pay El rates, and use it to develop talent. So lambert harris king cook s worrall Ellis garritty as a line up for example. What could be the benefit for the poles though in allowing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In American Football the NFL (USA) are considering putting a team in London because they fill stadiums - with the BSPA having downgraded the sport here to the Premier level a lot of fans are very disappointed - imagine the gates/interest if a top level team riding in the Polish League was based here - a money making opportunity if ever I saw one! It isn't a money making opportunity. You wouldn't attract any more fans, the riders would want more money and you'd have to charge fans more to watch in the first place, which they won't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It isn't a money making opportunity. You wouldn't attract any more fans, the riders would want more money and you'd have to charge fans more to watch in the first place, which they won't do. I disagree. Fans would travel to see Pedersen, Hancock, Sayfutdinov etc riding in the UK. I think the biggest challenge would be persuading the Polish teams to travel to England with all the equipment to race here. In terms of benefit to the Poles, the most obvious would be a potential TV deal for their league in Britain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In American Football the NFL (USA) are considering putting a team in London because they fill stadiums - with the BSPA having downgraded the sport here to the Premier level a lot of fans are very disappointed - imagine the gates/interest if a top level team riding in the Polish League was based here - a money making opportunity if ever I saw one!which would have to be spent on rider wages, so no real benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I don't see how the BSPA can stop you affiliating with the Polish league. Would be naff all to do with them. But they can stop a team riding in the UK because they hold the cards for all speedway in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think you couldn't load the team with stars, you would load it with brits (perhaps the odd aussie) pay El rates, and use it to develop talent. So lambert harris king cook s worrall Ellis garritty as a line up for example. What could be the benefit for the poles though in allowing it? You would still have to follow the '4 Poles' rule I would think as that is how they configure the teams.. And you would struggle to afford two good Poles and two good Polish reserves, and you would need them I would suggest with the best top three Brits (ex Woffy) making up your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 You would still have to follow the '4 Poles' rule I would think as that is how they configure the teams.. And you would struggle to afford two good Poles and two good Polish reserves, and you would need them I would suggest with the best top three Brits (ex Woffy) making up your team. Daugavpils race in the lower league in Poland and they have to use Latvian riders rather than Polish. Of course, they also aren't allowed to race in the Extraliga. They have won the lower league the last 2 years but aren't allowed to take the promotion place... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) It's interesting as it is possibly the only way you'd get British based immigrant Polish speedway fans going through the turnstiles here. Our own domestic league doesn't bring them out. Edited November 9, 2016 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) What about a Poland based British team? I know they have foreign teams in their second division but I'm not sure what level they compete at. Can't be any worse than SGB Premiership though... Edited November 10, 2016 by BurntFaceMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 A British team competing in the Polish league???? If you want to make a small fortune out of speedway - you have to start with a large one!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 What if a group of promoters joined together to create a british lions team or similar and entered the polish league but home meetings took place at different tracks in the UK? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Most people seem to be assuming you'd go straight into the Polish EL. Good luck. You'd have to start in the lower leagues and gain promotion. So in that respect it would be a nice trial as you would slowly build up, there second division is probably EL (as in old EL, not new Premiership) levels and then if you won that you could apply for their EL. I wonder what the cost are of the Polish 2nd division? Looking at the difference in teams somewhere between not a lot and an awful lot seems to be the case! If you need 4 Brits though, it could be bloody expensive as the top 4 Brit know they can demand what they like. You would need Woffy in your team really, and he'd know it. Imagine having to go into a Polish EL meeting with 4 Brits other than Woffy, Lambert I'm sure would cope in the next year or two but after that? Harris, Nicholls, King, Bridger and Cook have all failed in the EL or are too old these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightime Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Most people seem to be assuming you'd go straight into the Polish EL. Good luck. You'd have to start in the lower leagues and gain promotion. So in that respect it would be a nice trial as you would slowly build up, there second division is probably EL (as in old EL, not new Premiership) levels and then if you won that you could apply for their EL. I wonder what the cost are of the Polish 2nd division? Looking at the difference in teams somewhere between not a lot and an awful lot seems to be the case! If you need 4 Brits though, it could be bloody expensive as the top 4 Brit know they can demand what they like. You would need Woffy in your team really, and he'd know it. Imagine having to go into a Polish EL meeting with 4 Brits other than Woffy, Lambert I'm sure would cope in the next year or two but after that? Harris, Nicholls, King, Bridger and Cook have all failed in the EL or are too old these days. It would be 4 Poles - on account of it being the Polish league :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 It would be 4 Poles - on account of it being the Polish league :-) There are many foreign clubs in Second League. I don't believe they have the same rule of 4 Polish riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I don't see how the BSPA can stop you affiliating with the Polish league. Would be naff all to do with them. It is a rival to the BSPAs own leagues.They ain't going to allow that,just like they weren't going to allow someone to set up their own speedway series or allow someone to run pirate meetings.They just threaten any riders who ride to ban them from BSPA tracks etc It is a bit different to Daugavpils,Debrecen or Prague who don't have a league or not one of any real worth entering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Even if it was worth entering PZM/Ektrasliga would have to amend their own rules to allow it to happen, as otherwise any 'British' based team would be restricted to the Polish lower divisions. After all, Daugavpils have won the lower league for the last two season but have been denied promotion, as to ride in the top league, you have to be based inside Poland's territorial borders and employ a minimum number of Polish riders. The latter would defeat the point of entering the league as a means of developing British talent. Edited November 10, 2016 by moomin man 76 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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