speedibee Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Also Ian Thomas...never a fan of him but he knew the rule book and how to manipulate it to his team's advantage although he used to get found out occasionally! Nobody knows the rulebook better than Matt Ford , then again no-one knows the harry potter books better than JK Rowling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Probs a people person, positive, clever, knowledgeable, calm under pressure, good connections 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yes, really! Tim was a team manager when they actually had to think and had more of an input into meeting results. As we've seen in recent years, pretty much anyone can stand in the pits with a programme board and do the job these days. I think you need to look at my smilies after my comment. I know Tim very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Agreed - Tim Sugar was a very good team manager and knew the rulebook inside out. You couldn't get anything past him. All the best Rob Heat 1 at Smallmead one year- Oxford tried to live upto their nickname. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Has anyone mentioned Ian Thomas yet ? Knew every trick in the book, probably invented most of them.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 iMO Peter Karlsson has all the qualities to be a first rate manager( I believe he is helping Tai at the GP's ) and I hope we see him in this country in the near future now he has retired from riding . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Has anyone mentioned Ian Thomas yet ? Knew every trick in the book, probably invented most of them.... Gotta agree, but IMO he was a better promoter then a team manager, good in both roles but a brilliant promoter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Heat 1 at Smallmead one year- Oxford tried to live upto their nickname. Don't rub it in - we know our team manager was a chocolate teapot that day. As soon as Heat 1 took place, we are puzzled how the supplementary reserve was replacing a non-injured reserve. To compound the error, having taken a 45-39 lead, our riders conceded the 5-1 in Heat 15 thinking it was all over, only for the appeal to then go in and the score-line be adjusted to 45-45. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Don't rub it in - we know our team manager was a chocolate teapot that day. As soon as Heat 1 took place, we are puzzled how the supplementary reserve was replacing a non-injured reserve. To compound the error, having taken a 45-39 lead, our riders conceded the 5-1 in Heat 15 thinking it was all over, only for the appeal to then go in and the score-line be adjusted to 45-45. All the best Rob I think you will find that the Reading team manager- whoever he was - was heard to say when the line-up was announced " they can`t do that" and the pits to ref phone was red hot as soon as the riders crossed the line 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I can't remember who said it but I heard somebody say recently they the best football manager in the world is whoever has Lionel Messi in his team. I think the same principle applies to most sports. That is to confuse a successful team manager with a good TM. A successful one wins with good riders, a good TM gets the best out of whoever he is given to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Has anyone mentioned Ian Thomas yet ? Knew every trick in the book, probably invented most of them.... See above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yes, really! Tim was a team manager when they actually had to think and had more of an input into meeting results. As we've seen in recent years, pretty much anyone can stand in the pits with a programme board and do the job these days. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in the pits during the heat of a meeting.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Agreed - Tim Sugar was a very good team manager and knew the rulebook inside out. You couldn't get anything past him. All the best Rob RobDidn't you manage us for a match ? I can't remember if we won or lost but if we won then you're a superduper manager Seem to remember Bryn having a chance of holding "The Holy Grail" of British speedway too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Rob Didn't you manage us for a match ? I can't remember if we won or lost but if we won then you're a superduper manager Seem to remember Bryn having a chance of holding "The Holy Grail" of British speedway too Away at Belle Vue in 2005. We lost 43-52, but they were top, we were bottom, and we'd lost by 25 and 35 on our two previous visits there that year, so I'm claiming a moral victory That was amazing - managing a team with Greg, Billy, NKI and Travis in it!! Also away at Scunny in 2007 - quite a big loss that one (35-58). But Rob Godfrey came over at the end, shook me by the hand, and said we'd put up the best fight there that year and the lads were battling to the end of Heat 15, when Jordan Frampton ruined Josh Auty's maximum (no-one could stop Woffy's!). That Scunny team was the strongest team the third tier has ever seen, no shame in getting turned over by them! Plus our first race win was the TR (for Jordan), which suggests I was awake and doing my job!! I did it twice, and I was only allowed to be team manager away at the league leaders when we were on a hiding to nothing To be honest, though, even better than either of those was helping out Bryn in the away meetings in 2005 as assistant TM, when the OSMA lads won the league. Ben getting hurt at Stoke was a big low, as was getting stuffed at Newport with two-thirds of the team missing. But the lows makes the highs all the better. The 46-44 win at Rye House - which we did with three missing riders - was one of the best experiences of my life. We nailed that one and it made all the difference come the end of the season. I only told Millsy how crucial the win was in context to our season after he completed his paid 18 point maximum! All the best Rob Edited November 10, 2016 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) I take it back Rob you weren't superduper just mediocre We had a cracking Conference team Hopefully this forthcoming season the boys in the third tier will continue to deliver a feast of entertainment. How good was Moose around Oxford many a time I think he went through smaller gaps than Rambo and that's saying something Edited November 10, 2016 by Triple.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) I take it back Rob you weren't superduper just mediocre We had a cracking Conference team Hopefully this forthcoming season the boys in the third tier will continue to deliver a feast of entertainment. Mediocre will do me My record as assistant TM was far better than TM. And yes the Conference set up was cracking. The riders; their dads; Bryn and Waggy; the whole lot was fantastic. How good was Moose around Oxford many a time I think he went through smaller gaps than Rambo and that's saying something Rambo didn't need a gap - he created them. How exciting were Rambo and Cocker as a pairing at the end of '85? All the best Rob Edited November 10, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigballs Posted November 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 iMO Peter Karlsson has all the qualities to be a first rate manager( I believe he is helping Tai at the GP's ) and I hope we see him in this country in the near future now he has retired from riding . get him at Bellvue he would be excellent for the job☎️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 You wouldn't last 5 minutes in the pits during the heat of a meeting.. Really? Why's that then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Yes, really! Tim was a team manager when they actually had to think and had more of an input into meeting results. As we've seen in recent years, pretty much anyone can stand in the pits with a programme board and do the job these days. I wouldn't want to be a TM in this era as riders have to much control of what they will and won't do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 I wouldn't want to be a TM in this era as riders have to much control of what they will and won't do. That's when you have to stay strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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