Halifaxtiger Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 If you take Camptons last two meetings, both at home and at reserve then yes he did average 7.07. Add the 3rd and 4th meeting and he's down to 6. Add the 5th meeting and he's down to 5.6 and from 6 meetings he's down to 5.1. Hardly great seeing as two were in reserve and it's a 4/2 home/away split! If you're trying to argue he's a decent signing using stats I suggest you stop now! I think there's a recognition from the Workington promotion that they have given Campton the benefit of a sizeable doubt and its possible that part of the reason for him staying was that he fitted in with the other riders. Roynon, to a substantial degree, is the same. Started well but lost his way mid season and was back where he started by the end. To my mind, its the middle bit of the team where the questions lie. The heat leaders should be very decent indeed and Williamson is one of the strongest reserves so far. Whatever the case, its clear that some hard bargaining has resulted in the financial side being significantly improved in Comets favour and that can only be a good thing. Roll on March and the kind of racing I saw last season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 wish more SPEEDWAY fans were like you halifaxtiger a true speedway fan rather than a fan of a certain rider or team been reading your posts for a good while and not many times could i say that i totally disagreed with your coments in a big way some just havnt got a clue what happens on track they just judge by the end of 4 laps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 If you take Camptons last two meetings, both at home and at reserve then yes he did average 7.07. Add the 3rd and 4th meeting and he's down to 6. Add the 5th meeting and he's down to 5.6 and from 6 meetings he's down to 5.1. Hardly great seeing as two were in reserve and it's a 4/2 home/away split! If you're trying to argue he's a decent signing using stats I suggest you stop now! i see your life revolves around numbers . where some folks are happy to see true speedway . if its a numbers game you want , get yourself on countdown . me , i am happy if we finish top , middle or bottom . we still have speedway . a lot of towns and cities dont . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olga Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) So to recap some of the stuff on here:- a - If you think Campton is a not a good signing ... you must be an oddball? b - If Campton is not signed by Comets mgt ... somehow there'll be no speedway at Workington? c - If Campton is in the team somehow we have "true speedway" Edited December 3, 2016 by Olga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 If you take Camptons last two meetings, both at home and at reserve then yes he did average 7.07. Add the 3rd and 4th meeting and he's down to 6. Add the 5th meeting and he's down to 5.6 and from 6 meetings he's down to 5.1. Hardly great seeing as two were in reserve and it's a 4/2 home/away split! If you're trying to argue he's a decent signing using stats I suggest you stop now! So what you are saying is, take out his good scores and he would have a low average. Finally I've seen the light. I look at Workington and I see a decent line up. Obviously Cook could be one of the top riders in the league. Jorgensen is a good signing (I would liked to have had him back at Berwick, he had to ride as a number one for us, which he wasn't, but he is a damn good second heat leader), Proctor could easily do the third heat leader job. Roynon (if he avoids injury, again) and Campton are capable second strings (remembering the league is watered down), Williamson will progress (I liken him to our Liam Carr) and Shuttleworth is a good two point rider (I saw him at a junior event at Berwick last year, a real trier, never gives up). If I was a Comets fan (which I'm not) i would be pretty happy with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 So what you are saying is, take out his good scores and he would have a low average. Finally I've seen the light.I look at Workington and I see a decent line up. Obviously Cook could be one of the top riders in the league. Jorgensen is a good signing (I would liked to have had him back at Berwick, he had to ride as a number one for us, which he wasn't, but he is a damn good second heat leader), Proctor could easily do the third heat leader job. Roynon (if he avoids injury, again) and Campton are capable second strings (remembering the league is watered down), Williamson will progress (I liken him to our Liam Carr) and Shuttleworth is a good two point rider (I saw him at a junior event at Berwick last year, a real trier, never gives up). If I was a Comets fan (which I'm not) i would be pretty happy with it. Agree, pretty happy with the team for next year, probably not a title winning side if I'm honest but one never knows, luck injuries and improvements in riders will play a part in all teams for the 2017 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 i see your life revolves around numbers . where some folks are happy to see true speedway . if its a numbers game you want , get yourself on countdown . me , i am happy if we finish top , middle or bottom . we still have speedway . a lot of towns and cities dont . Good for you but plenty of people like to discuss (on a discussion forum after all) whether signings are good, bad or indifferent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) Good for you but plenty of people like to discuss (on a discussion forum after all) whether signings are good, bad or indifferent. and plenty like to degrade riders . s.c.b. seems to degrade riders that have not even turned a wheel in 2017. sure there will be disappointments all around if riders dont do what they expect and joys when the ones that were not expected to have a reasonable season , suddenly spring to life . me , i am happy that wucky have at least another two years plus at derwent park . so who does scb support then ?... i need ammo ! Edited December 3, 2016 by jenga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Big difference between degrading riders and expressing an opinion that they are poor signings on their averages. You are a sensitive little flower considering you like to do the forum rounds winding people up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 and plenty like to degrade riders . s.c.b. seems to degrade riders that have not even turned a wheel in 2017. sure there will be disappointments all around if riders dont do what they expect and joys when the ones that were not expected to have a reasonable season , suddenly spring to life . me , i am happy that wucky have at least another two years plus at derwent park . so who does scb support then ?... i need ammo ! Workington and Berwick both, and probably a few other teams aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 and plenty like to degrade riders . s.c.b. seems to degrade riders that have not even turned a wheel in 2017. sure there will be disappointments all around if riders dont do what they expect and joys when the ones that were not expected to have a reasonable season , suddenly spring to life . me , i am happy that wucky have at least another two years plus at derwent park . so who does scb support then ?... i need ammo ! Come on. All he has done is give an opinion about how a team or rider will perform. Its likely that at this time about 80% of the posts on this forum concerning speedway will do exactly the same thing. As long as that opinion is objective - and SCB's are - there's nothing wrong with that at all. I suspect there isn't a speedway supporter in the country who isn't pleased to see the Comets running this season, and may that continue for years to come. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 i see your life revolves around numbers . where some folks are happy to see true speedway . if its a numbers game you want , get yourself on countdown . me , i am happy if we finish top , middle or bottom . we still have speedway . a lot of towns and cities dont . You half quoted stats, I gave you the stats. How you choose to take them is up to you. So what you are saying is, take out his good scores and he would have a low average. Finally I've seen the light. Thats not what I said at all. Feel free to re-read my post and see what a stupid comment you have made. I quoted Masons average from his last 2,3,4,5 and 6 meetings after someone said if you take his last few meetings he had done well. If a "few" is 2 then yes he did, if it's 3 or 4 it's ok. If a few if 5 or 6 then he was as poor as he was all season. I have not take any scores away On the other hand someone decided to cherry pick two meetings to make out he was a 7 point man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Last winter many called out Campton as a poor singing and were shot down. Ultimately those that said he was a poor singing were right and the same thing is happening this winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsteve Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 At the end of the day he will do he's talking on the track. Only after seeing him for a few meetings we will know if the decision to bring him back is justified. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 So what you are saying is, take out his good scores and he would have a low average. Finally I've seen the light. I look at Workington and I see a decent line up. Obviously Cook could be one of the top riders in the league. Jorgensen is a good signing (I would liked to have had him back at Berwick, he had to ride as a number one for us, which he wasn't, but he is a damn good second heat leader), Proctor could easily do the third heat leader job. Roynon (if he avoids injury, again) and Campton are capable second strings (remembering the league is watered down), Williamson will progress (I liken him to our Liam Carr) and Shuttleworth is a good two point rider (I saw him at a junior event at Berwick last year, a real trier, never gives up). If I was a Comets fan (which I'm not) i would be pretty happy with it. thanks for that topsoil not very often we get a posotive post from a berwick fan id say thats a pritty honest and true review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) Last winter many called out Campton as a poor singing and were shot down. Ultimately those that said he was a poor singing were right and the same thing is happening this winter. Its all about averages nowadays,Trying to find a rider with the right average who will improve it is a difficult situation to be in.If a promotion picks aTeam with a couple of points to spare under the limit they get slated.Campton seem a decent signing to me ,he will ride to his average IMO ,and might improve it.Name 4-6pt men(many have been about for years)who will put 2-3 pts on their average. Edited December 4, 2016 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 At the end of the day he will do he's talking on the track. Only after seeing him for a few meetings we will know if the decision to bring him back is justified. The thing is madsteve is that this scenario has been promised for the last two season's that he's ridden for us and both times he has not delivered to the standard expected "that" is why supporters/other fans have little faith in him? Should the purchase of the Ricky Wells engines be the catalyst to the much vaunted improvement eveyone wants to see then yes, he could be worth the average, six/seven/eight pts at home should not be an issue based on the last two home meetings but, what about the away form, will he transfer that scoring to other tracks to an acceptable five/six pts etc? Wont always happen granted but, once he has the engines will he be maintaining them to keep achieving the performances required, he cant, as has been stated many times before, afford to fail so I'm hoping he does do the business, I know he can because I've seen him do it, he is capable, has to prove it now, regularly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsteve Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 The thing is madsteve is that this scenario has been promised for the last two season's that he's ridden for us and both times he has not delivered to the standard expected "that" is why supporters/other fans have little faith in him? Should the purchase of the Ricky Wells engines be the catalyst to the much vaunted improvement eveyone wants to see then yes, he could be worth the average, six/seven/eight pts at home should not be an issue based on the last two home meetings but, what about the away form, will he transfer that scoring to other tracks to an acceptable five/six pts etc? Wont always happen granted but, once he has the engines will he be maintaining them to keep achieving the performances required, he cant, as has been stated many times before, afford to fail so I'm hoping he does do the business, I know he can because I've seen him do it, he is capable, has to prove it now, regularly? Totally agree with you, he's got to prove his worth or go home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workyboy Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Last winter many called out Campton as a poor singing and were shot down. Ultimately those that said he was a poor singing were right and the same thing is happening this winter. Mason Campton is very poor at singing but mind you he is a Aussie lol. I'm very happy he's singing for the Comets. A great signing by the promotion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Ty Proctor rode for Sheffield in 2015 & did really well before he got sent home due to visa issues, but who did he ride for in 2014? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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