Hunters Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) http://www.speedwaygb.co/17results/plymouth_21.04.17_res.pdf These are the reasons I have 17 rides not 15 or am I too logical? Pages of rules but still don't seem to describe some things but we should know in a few days when the changes come about. Meanwhile Georgie is riding for Belle Vue at Mildenhall today so I hope he stays safe. I have a feeling we are going to win at Kent tomorrow with the way his current form is. Edited May 28, 2017 by Hunters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Amazing how 2 rides affects 0.8 of an avg!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Amazing how 2 rides affects 0.8 of an avg!! It is because of the very small base amount. 2 on 15 is 13.3% whilst 5.88 Average plus 13.3% =6.66. As the season progresses the effect of 2 rides will be less and less. Why oh Why they did not have rolling averages brought forward for riders with an existing average and 4 matches for new 3.0 pointers I will never understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 It is because of the very small base amount. 2 on 15 is 13.3% whilst 5.88 Average plus 13.3% =6.66. As the season progresses the effect of 2 rides will be less and less. Why oh Why they did not have rolling averages brought forward for riders with an existing average and 4 matches for new 3.0 pointers I will never understand. NL riders progress quickly. Look at Birmingham last year and using rolling averages Bacon and Hume would've gone to reserve (having started on 4.24 and 3.79) yet they were doing better than Smith & JPB last year. Tbh there's positives and negatives to both methods. The important thing imo is 3.00 riders get new averages quickly and they've solved that problem now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Good win for the boys today. Brennan's last match at reserve and could Kelsey's injury be the one that forces the re-declaration. Two or three reserves available from KL now so maybe we will soon know. Saturday is deadline one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 As we saw today Brennan is a very good rider, however riding at number 1 won't be so good for him, so will knight be coming in if averages work to be number 1 allowing Baseby and wood to be at 3 and 5 then Brennan 2 or 4? I'm not sure averages calculated on here previously are right so this could be a possibility. If they did do this it gives Brennan more time to improve without the pressure of number 1 on in his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) As we saw today Brennan is a very good rider, however riding at number 1 won't be so good for him, so will knight be coming in if averages work to be number 1 allowing Baseby and wood to be at 3 and 5 then Brennan 2 or 4? I'm not sure averages calculated on here previously are right so this could be a possibility. If they did do this it gives Brennan more time to improve without the pressure of number 1 on in his back. If Jake came in Brennan would still be number 1 as Tom's average will be 10.25 whereas Jake would come in on 8.54 Edited May 29, 2017 by eaglesno1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 If Jake came in Brennan would still be number 1 as Tom's average will be 10.25 whereas Jake would come in on 8.54 that's a shame if that's correct as much as Tom is on the way up I think he still needs some time before he moves up to number 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) that's a shame if that's correct as much as Tom is on the way up I think he still needs some time before he moves up to number 1 Would probably swop round at the next average change? I suppose as well pressure would be off to do 6/7 rides, likely hood would be he'd ride 4. Edited May 29, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Would probably swop round at the next average change? I suppose as well pressure would be off to do 6/7 rides, likely hood would be he'd ride 4. Yes I guess so, heard a lot of different permutations of the same rumor over past few days. Its hard to know whats true and what isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrscambelt Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 If Eastbourne are going to make any changes, what is the dead line for it all to happen more like the transfer window in Football maybe thats not such a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 If Eastbourne are going to make any changes, what is the dead line for it all to happen more like the transfer window in Football maybe thats not such a bad idea. The changes would have to be made before Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Seems to me that all we read about on this forum, no matter what team is being discussed, that promoters are constantly looking to change their riders. It causes some undesirable problems such as the fact that no riders today have any loyalty to their team simply because their management have no loyalty to them. It is the "Win at all costs" syndrome rather than to enjoy the racing and HOPE your team win rather than condemning them if they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Not sure I agree with the 'Win at all costs' analogy. I get what you mean and it may seem that way sometimes but speedway is a business and has to make money and the fact is, if the team aint winning the attendance figures drop off and you lose money. People like you and me may always go whatever but there are fewer and fewr like that. Many fans are noiit interested if the team is not doing well. So its almost the other way. Its not a case of spent the money as we must win. Its if we dont win we will lose money! so, you have to spend the money and win. Does that make any sense at all?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Not sure I agree with the 'Win at all costs' analogy. I get what you mean and it may seem that way sometimes but speedway is a business and has to make money and the fact is, if the team aint winning the attendance figures drop off and you lose money. People like you and me may always go whatever but there are fewer and fewr like that. Many fans are noiit interested if the team is not doing well. So its almost the other way. Its not a case of spent the money as we must win. Its if we dont win we will lose money! so, you have to spend the money and win. Does that make any sense at all?? Speculate to accumulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Seems to me that all we read about on this forum, no matter what team is being discussed, that promoters are constantly looking to change their riders. It causes some undesirable problems such as the fact that no riders today have any loyalty to their team simply because their management have no loyalty to them. It is the "Win at all costs" syndrome rather than to enjoy the racing and HOPE your team win rather than condemning them if they don't. Why should Speedway be any different to other sports. Do you think Man Utd management and fans were happy to 'enjoy the football' without getting in the top four last season. And during the summer you will see the 'all costs' to them of trying to win. Between £100 and £300 million no doubt. All sports are much the same but just because we want to win does not mean that we disappear if they don't, at least most of us. Nearly all sport is now professional and the desire to win is what motivates the successful sportspersons regardless of whether they are Owners, Managers Supporters or Participants. The only concession is that 'all costs' must be within the predefined rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 It used to be the case that the majority of fans would attend, win or lose. It doesn't happen any more. People want to see a winning team. The consensus was that if you win at home, the crowds will hold up but in the end, I think the dire away form of the Eagles away from home in the final Elite League years weighed heavily and could be seen at the gate. I think the big problem was the lack of a star No 1 to keep us competitive away. We had Martin Dugard and then 5 years of Nicki Pedersen who had cult status. after that, one year of a fading Scott Nicholls then an odd assortment of Bridger, Watt, Bjarne and Kilmakorpi. Nothing inspiring and often bad away from home. Since dropping to the NL we regained some of the aura with BWD and Adam Ellis which is why I have been the keenest to get Jake back. Tom and Georgie are big favourites but the demands of No 1 are such that whilst we enjoy seeing the occasional surprise at home (Morley, Zach and Boxall all beaten) we cannot compete at no 1 away. We will see on Saturday but what an ask of Tom against Bowen. I think we have a very good all round side but we will usually be vulnerable if we don't have an 8 point lead after 12 heats away from home against the main 5 challengers for the play off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 agree with the above post, crowd gates suffer when a team are rammel, not enough diehards to go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think the last hopes of the rumours being true are filtering away. But it still begs the question who has he signed for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think the last hopes of the rumours being true are filtering away. But it still begs the question who has he signed for I keep asking myself the same question but time is passing and I can see no logical reason why his new team has not announced him. Looking at his new bike covers I just cannot match them to any side, particularly with the Union Jack. Perhaps Mildenhall 1965 can throw some light after his reliable source said Connor Coles had been released. Was it just a wind up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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