WalterPlinge Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Regardless of Morley's suspicious performances, (flew round BV last year, trailed round at the back this year), there still should be no way Hurry can come in. Lakeside only have 7.48 available to replace Mason, and Hurry should be on a 10+ average. Something is bent here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Regardless of Morley's suspicious performances, (flew round BV last year, trailed round at the back this year), there still should be no way Hurry can come in. Lakeside only have 7.48 available to replace Mason, and Hurry should be on a 10+ average. Something is bent here 100% correct why does no one come out and explain this decision if in deed i has been ratified.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) 100% correct why does no one come out and explain this decision if in deed i has been ratified.. For the same reason why no-one publicly explained why Cook couldn't come in on a 3.00 (or 3.50) when a precedent had been set the previous season. Its bent. Edited May 24, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Surely if enough gathered evidence Morley and lakeside management should be punished? New team declarations - no hurry? http://www.speedwaygb.co/files//nl17_issue_9.pdfAbsolutely, IF enough evidence is gathered, but if no evidence , there is no reason for the rumour mill to be given credibilty. We don't yet know what averaged Hurry comes in on or why, but ultimately it is for the BSPA to aprove or not aprove the team changes so any complaints should be at their door night Lakesides. Edited May 24, 2017 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 It seems no matter what league Lakeside are in, if their team is average or poor, no one gives a crap about them, yet as soon as they look like they might be half decent side, those toys coming flying out of the prams of other clubs. I must apologise on behalf of Jon Cook for forgetting that our club is merely a Cinderella club there to make up the numbers, give other teams easy victory's and is strictly not allowed to win anything ever (apart from in 1991 when we won everything) We are now the Millwall of the speedway world, no one likes us but we don't give s--t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Absolutely, IF enough evidence is gathered, but if no evidence , there is no reason for the rumour mill to be given credibilty. We don't yet know what averaged Hurry comes in on or why, but ultimately it is for the BSPA to aprove or not aprove the team changes so any complaints should be at their door night Lakesides. The suggestions of average fixing in this case are, in my book, complete nonsense. You're absolutely right about the BSPA, but that doesn't change the fact that (if allowed) this is almost certainly completely crooked. Hurry's average should be around the 8.7 mark, and let's not forget there are no reductions this season (as per the Harland Cook decision). Based upon Lakeside's present averages, he doesn't fit. It seems no matter what league Lakeside are in, if their team is average or poor, no one gives a crap about them, yet as soon as they look like they might be half decent side, those toys coming flying out of the prams of other clubs. I must apologise on behalf of Jon Cook for forgetting that our club is merely a Cinderella club there to make up the numbers, give other teams easy victory's and is strictly not allowed to win anything ever (apart from in 1991 when we won everything) We are now the Millwall of the speedway world, no one likes us but we don't give s--t More nonsense. What people are concerned about actually really has nothing do with Lakeside at all. They are sick to death of bent rulings made to suit the needs of individual promoters, be that to allow a rider to fit in or to stop that being the case. Edited May 24, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The hammers management needed to do something to try and get the crowds to return to purfleet this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 The suggestions of average fixing in this case are, in my book, complete nonsense. You're absolutely right about the BSPA, but that doesn't change the fact that (if allowed) this is almost certainly completely crooked. Hurry's average should be around the 8.7 mark, and let's not forget there are no reductions this season (as per the Harland Cook decision). Based upon Lakeside's present averages, he doesn't fit . It depends what you mean by crooked. The BSPA have for years frustrated and confused the fans by what appear to be contradictory rulings, but am not sure how you make the jump from there to saying as a fact there was some kind of favouritism/backhander/ corruption even though some posters will draw that inference every time whether it is fair or not. I do think we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions until we first know whether the team change has been approved, secondly what Hurrys official average is and thirdly how that figure was reached. Having an explanation from the BSPA is perhaps to much to hope for based on past experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Its time to do away with averages and use a type of grading as most of the riders are not on figures that are representitive of their ability, the heat formats the leagues have been running have played a major part in that, so who is to say what is and what isn't a proper average anymore, last season Poole brought Antonio back with an assessed figure that was agreed to by the governing body, whether others agreed with it or not makes no difference, only the opinion of the board counts and it will be the same with Paul Hurry, if he can be fitted into the side he will, if he can't he won't end of. I'm still of the opinion though if this was IOW, Buxton or Kent, it wouldn't be getting even a mention, at least we know why everyone else was so keen on us having David Mason, they knew it would keep us in what they perceive to be our place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Its time to do away with averages and use a type of grading as most of the riders are not on figures that are representitive of their ability, the heat formats the leagues have been running have played a major part in that, so who is to say what is and what isn't a proper average anymore, last season Poole brought Antonio back with an assessed figure that was agreed to by the governing body, whether others agreed with it or not makes no difference, only the opinion of the board counts and it will be the same with Paul Hurry, if he can be fitted into the side he will, if he can't he won't end of. I'm still of the opinion though if this was IOW, Buxton or Kent, it wouldn't be getting even a mention, at least we know why everyone else was so keen on us having David Mason, they knew it would keep us in what they perceive to be our place. It shouldn't be based on opinion, it should be based on facts of the averages. We don't yet know what Hurry is on but 7.48 just isn't enough! And to say it wouldn't be mentioned if it was IOW, Kent or Buxton is just stupid. Show me where any of those 3 clubs have brought a rider in on an artificially low average? They haven't and have actually been penalised (IOW and Cook, Buxton and no guest facility for Perks yet at least one other club has). Edited May 24, 2017 by Islander15 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) It depends what you mean by crooked. The BSPA have for years frustrated and confused the fans by what appear to be contradictory rulings, but am not sure how you make the jump from there to saying as a fact there was some kind of favouritism/backhander/ corruption even though some posters will draw that inference every time whether it is fair or not. I do think we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions until we first know whether the team change has been approved, secondly what Hurrys official average is and thirdly how that figure was reached. Having an explanation from the BSPA is perhaps to much to hope for based on past experience. As you say, it does depend on whether it is sanctioned, But, if it is, (and it has been published on the BSPA website) based upon Hurry's last EL average, calculating that up to be a PL one and then doubling it he should be around the 8.7 mark. That means he can't go into the team and the only way he can is by a crooked ruling that contradicts what has happened elsewhere. As to jumping to conclusions, the biggest one will be Lakeside saying that he is in the team if they have not received agreement to it. Taking into account the BSPA website statement, I suspect they have although it maybe subject to protest by other clubs. One of the reasons why those who have an axe to grind gain credibility is the lack of explanation and openness. After all, we still haven't heard why Harland Cook was refused a 3.5 average when the likes of Luke Clifton and David Wallinger were given it. Edited May 25, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I very much suspect Paul will be on an assessed average given his time out of the sport. Whether or not the previous injuries he is carrying come into the equation is anybody's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I very much suspect Paul will be on an assessed average given his time out of the sport. Whether or not the previous injuries he is carrying come into the equation is anybody's guess. But the BSPA/Morrish have set a precedent of using heat leader's old averages and not assessing averages (e.g. Richard Hall). So it's not fair to do it for one rider/team but not another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies_Ste Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 New average's issued yesterday & Hurry not listed in the Lakeside 1-7 so guess its not been approved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM09 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 New average's issued yesterday & Hurry not listed in the Lakeside 1-7 so guess its not been approved. That's what I was thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 It seems no matter what league Lakeside are in, if their team is average or poor, no one gives a crap about them, yet as soon as they look like they might be half decent side, those toys coming flying out of the prams of other clubs. I must apologise on behalf of Jon Cook for forgetting that our club is merely a Cinderella club there to make up the numbers, give other teams easy victory's and is strictly not allowed to win anything ever (apart from in 1991 when we won everything) We are now the Millwall of the speedway world, no one likes us but we don't give s--t Fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I cannot see the scenario of it being announced on speedway GB website if it had not already been approved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I cannot see the scenario of it being announced on speedway GB website if it had not already been approved. I am probably wrong in this assumption but I have an idea that many of the comments linked to clubs that appear on the SGB website are 'edited' from Press Releases previously made by a club? In which case, the matter in regard to Lakeside Hammers and Paul Hurry MAY just be a reiteration of a previously publicised Lakeside Hammers PR. If that is the case, and SGB approval for Lakeside Hammers to use Paul Hurry has still to be ratified, and does not happen prior to this weekend's matches, in what way could the club now use coverage for his team place? Would a guest be permitted when there is a still available rider who if called on may decide to ride for the club. Hopefully, ratification for Lakeside to use Paul Hurry will be forthcoming soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I cannot see the scenario of it being announced on speedway GB website if it had not already been approved. I'd be surprised. My view is that Hurry should have had his average reassessed based upon his old EL one with a deduction for how long he has been out of the sport - to me, that's just reasonable. Thing is that jealousy and spite across the NL has meant that others have not had such a reduction and so he shouldn't get it either. Not that precedent ever counts for anything, that is. When you have a weak co-ordinator who is easily bullied basically its just a matter of make it up as you go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 I cannot see the scenario of it being announced on speedway GB website if it had not already been approved. That exact scenario has happened for Craig Cook and Harland Cook in the last 2 seasons. So just because it's in the news section of the BSPA website doesn't mean it's been ratified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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