Somerset 2017

[waiheke1]

Cocentry have a stronger top 2, stronger reserves and comparable 2nd strings? Why would u think it is better than Coventrys team building?

[mdmc82]

That team is solid enough, I'd take it over what Coventry have mustered in team building terms. Need to be a fair few points in front by the time heat 12 kicks in, to win a meeting though. It will struggle in 13 & 15.

Coventry have a stronger top 3, a much stronger reserve pairing.

[SomersetBlue]

Cocentry have a stronger top 2, stronger reserves and comparable 2nd strings? Why would u think it is better than Coventrys team building?

Are you sure of that?

King fair enough but Garrity is not better than Tungate and Grajczonek.

Stronger reserves Allen is better than Bates. He has nearly a point over him in his first season. Graversen is just as good as jumper.... sorry Searjant.

Comparable 2nd strings fair enough but does depend on if Kerr and Bjerre can up their games as expected.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Brummie Rebel

[mdmc82]

Are you sure of that?

King fair enough but Garrity is not better than Tungate and Grajczonek.

Stronger reserves Allen is better than Bates. He has nearly a point over him in his first season. Graversen is just as good as jumper.... sorry Searjant.

Comparable 2nd strings fair enough but does depend on if Kerr and Bjerre can up their games as expected.

 

Think you need to stop thinking of their PL form and look at their EL form.

Tungate struggled as a 2nd string & spent a lot of time at reserve.

 

Bates was beating some heatleaders and even beat Doyle last year. Much stronger than Allen

[SomersetBlue]

Think you need to stop thinking of their PL form and look at their EL form.

Tungate struggled as a 2nd string & spent a lot of time at reserve.

Bates was beating some heatleaders and even beat Doyle last year. Much stronger than Allen

So in what way is this like the Elite League? How many riders this season are going to be proper Elite League Standard?

[hyabb17]

Tungate was going well for Swindon in the 2nd half of the season as either a 2nd string or heat-leader, only had a month at reserve from memory. In this watered down league he'll do fine, may not win heat 1 against the likes of KK, Doyle, King but think he'll be okay.

 

So in what way is this like the Elite League? How many riders this season are going to be proper Elite League Standard?

Edited December 9, 2016 by hyabb17

[RebelDan]

Bates was beating some heatleaders and even beat Doyle last year. Much stronger than Allen

 

But lost to an awful lot of dross as well.

 

You can only judge them on when they rode against each other last season and Allen wins hands down when you look at the results home and away at Somerset/Sheffield.

 

Allen race wins vs Bates 6

Bates wins vs Allen 2

 

Allen also had a higher average by nearly a point and top scored for the Aussie in world U21 SWC.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Always a RACER

[waiheke1]

Are you sure of that?

King fair enough but Garrity is not better than Tungate and Grajczonek.

Stronger reserves Allen is better than Bates. He has nearly a point over him in his first season. Graversen is just as good as jumper.... sorry Searjant.

Comparable 2nd strings fair enough but does depend on if Kerr and Bjerre can up their games as expected.

Garritty is not one of the Coventry top two? Bjerre and king is stronger than tungate/josh. I agree at 3rd heatleader Hougaard is stronger than garritty.

[Woz01]

Are you sure of that?

King fair enough but Garrity is not better than Tungate and Grajczonek.

Stronger reserves Allen is better than Bates. He has nearly a point over him in his first season. Graversen is just as good as jumper.... sorry Searjant.

Comparable 2nd strings fair enough but does depend on if Kerr and Bjerre can up their games as expected.

You conveniently forget to mention that Kenneth Bjerre will likely be number 1 by May even though he is 3rd in our averages at the minute. Coventry's top 3 is just better than Somerset. Tungate at 9.03 is far too high. Also we don't have a rider as bad as Graversen, the suggestion he's on par with Sarj is laughable. Allen seems to have a bit of talent about him but will likely struggle early at the away tracks, he hasn't ridden many in this division.

[The Voice Of Reason]

Have a listen to Garry Mays interview on YouTube. Thats why he has put this team out so maybe instead of slagging Rebels off you'll appreciate May can only play with the cards dealt to him.

With decent riders such as Lewis Bridger and (particularly) Kim Nilsson still being unsigned/available, maybe he should have looked at changing his hand then?

 

With all due respect, both riders are just a tad better than some of this team who've been signed to date, aren't they?

[SCB]

Tungate was going well for Swindon in the 2nd half of the season as either a 2nd string or heat-leader, only had a month at reserve from memory. In this watered down league he'll do fine, may not win heat 1 against the likes of KK, Doyle, King but think he'll be okay.

 

If we're going with end of season form only, then Garrity pisses all over Tungate as he (Jason) was flying. While Josh is slightly better in the PL he was worse in the EL. I'd actually say to some extent Jason and Rohans EL seasons copied each other in that they got off to a stuttering start but come good. I doubt there will be much between them in 2017. I think I'd trust Garrity to win me a "must win" race but I think Josh is the more consistent plodder while Tungate, King and Bjerre to different extents are likely to throw in a stupid last at any time.

 

I think with regards to middle order, Somerset have played it safe while Coventry have taken two risks. Somerset have gone for two riders who are slightly improving or solidly found a level while Coventry have gone with two riders who struggled in 2016 so if they get it back, then "wehay" but if they have lost it after injury then "boohoo".

 

Did have to laugh at the idea that Graversen is better than Sarjeant I'm willing to accept Sarj had a crap season in '16 and it wasn't helped by being forced into the 1-5 and losing all confidence he'd just built back up but Graversen has had 5 or 6 crap seasons, the reality thats his level and his last his PL season in them 5 or 6 attempts has been half a point (at least) lower than Sarjs worst in 2 attempts. In fact has Graversen spent much more than a dozen meetings in the 1-5? While on the other hand Sarj has probably only spend his first dozen meetings in reserve and I think about 3 or 4 more at the end of his first season. Willing to accept that Jake Allen is a smashing signing TBF, will he have second season blues, will he have a year of consolidation or will he crack on with it? Could IMO be a great signing, he was in 2016.

[Gresham]

Tungate was going well for Swindon in the 2nd half of the season as either a 2nd string or heat-leader, only had a month at reserve from memory. In this watered down league he'll do fine, may not win heat 1 against the likes of KK, Doyle, King but think he'll be okay.

 

Agreed...and as with anything in this sport, a lot of it will come down to set up and quality of machinery/tuning these lads are racing on. Tungate struggled with his set up early doors, then got it sorted and went on a really strong run.

 

Apart from the big hitters, the riders in this watered down league are pretty much the same level of ability. No one knows what quality of bikes these riders will have at the beginning of the season.

 

The Somerset lads should do ok on home soil though.. Just got to get the set up right on the day.

[The Cheese]

I can't imagine a rider averaging 6.5 in the PL attracting a large transfer fee and providing a nest egg for the club.

 

That's another rider we won't get first refusal on when team building.

 

Unless it's happened already and kept quiet, it would have made more sense to sell Masters. If he wasn't going to sign for next season then it's unlikely he will in the future.

Assuming a loan fee had to be paid for Wright, I would have left him out with Graversen. Danyon Hume on a 2.00 would then have left room for a Bridger/Buczkowski

[stevebrum]

Unless it's happened already and kept quiet, it would have made more sense to sell Masters. If he wasn't going to sign for next season then it's unlikely he will in the future.

Assuming a loan fee had to be paid for Wright, I would have left him out with Graversen. Danyon Hume on a 2.00 would then have left room for a Bridger/Buczkowski

Masters won't be signing on a full for Wolves. CVS confirmed this last week.

[mdmc82]

So in what way is this like the Elite League? How many riders this season are going to be proper Elite League Standard?

Most of the riders have EL experience.

[SomersetBlue]

Garritty is not one of the Coventry top two? Bjerre and king is stronger than tungate/josh. I agree at 3rd heatleader Hougaard is stronger than garritty.

Garrity is 2nd in the averages so on paper he is one of the top two. You're changing Bjerre as he is better than Garrity but not changing Hougaard to top two. So that statement makes no sense at all.

Most of the riders have EL experience.

Experience doesn't mean they are Elite standard.

[oldtimer]

Think yourself lucky - 12-18 year old prices have gone up by 50% and the club are now charging from 6 years old which will hardly encourage families to come in greater numbers. I will now have to consider picking my meetings as it will cost me £30 per meeting to come with 3 kids prior to any food or drink.

Swindon Season ticket only £238 or seniors £195 plus a free programme. Don't mean to be disrespectful, but Somerset don't have to pay rent for the stadium outside of the family like other clubs, so lets have a free programme, don't want lots of photo's and info you can get on line, just a race card.

[waiheke1]

Garrity is 2nd in the averages so on paper he is one of the top two. You're changing Bjerre as he is better than Garrity but not changing Hougaard to top two. So that statement makes no sense at all.

 

Experience doesn't mean they are Elite standard.

ok. Bjerre and king is a better top 2 than hougarrd/josh g. Basically bjerre and king are both better than any of the Somerset line up.

At reserve I expect bates and Allen will score similarly but sarj will outscore Graversen. Bjerre and kerr should roughly match wright and starke. Your 3rd hl will possibly outscore garritty.

[Gresham]

Swindon Season ticket only £238 or seniors £195 plus a free programme. Don't mean to be disrespectful, but Somerset don't have to pay rent for the stadium outside of the family like other clubs, so lets have a free programme, don't want lots of photo's and info you can get on line, just a race card.

OMG Oldtimer...don't get talking about Programmes and race cards on here...otherwise the dimwits will get you. It's a joy, I promise you ;-)

[SomersetBlue]

ok. Bjerre and king is a better top 2 than hougarrd/josh g. Basically bjerre and king are both better than any of the Somerset line up.

At reserve I expect bates and Allen will score similarly but sarj will outscore Graversen. Bjerre and kerr should roughly match wright and starke. Your 3rd hl will possibly outscore garritty.

This the same Bjerre who couldn't even get an Elite place last season? And a Searjant who plenty of Coventry fans didn't want? Bates similar to a rider who finished nearly a point over him and can top score for his country in his first British season?