Rye House 2017

[Islander15]

'A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is Doubling Up, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows: -

1) The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-arranged Fixture

2)1st priority to the owner of the rider

3) 2nd priority to the previous season club

4) 3rd priority to the league in which the owner club is a member.'

 

By applying the order of priority, Rye's fixtures are not 're-arranged' and both clubs have original fixtures in their fixture lists. Therefore moving down, 2 and 3 aren't relevant so 4 should be used. Now I believe Edinburgh should get priority, but the rules don't say that. Rye's fixtures havent been rearranged and they're not even rearranged for Wells' point of view, they've been added in! You can't even apply the logic to Wells rather than his clubs, as for a fixture to be rearranged for Wells it must have been their in the first place (i.e. originally) but it wasn't their for Wells until yesterday and nothing has changed since then. They are still original fixtures for him and for the club.

[phillipsr]

How many meetings does this actually affect??

[tocha]

How many meetings does this actually affect??

Four. Both visits to Somerset, 19th May, 25th August, away to Belle Vue on June 16th and at Leicester 12th August.

[Max the rebel]

'A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is Doubling Up, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows: -

1) The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-arranged Fixture

2)1st priority to the owner of the rider

3) 2nd priority to the previous season club

4) 3rd priority to the league in which the owner club is a member.'

By applying the order of priority, Rye's fixtures are not 're-arranged' and both clubs have original fixtures in their fixture lists. Therefore moving down, 2 and 3 aren't relevant so 4 should be used. Now I believe Edinburgh should get priority, but the rules don't say that. Rye's fixtures havent been rearranged and they're not even rearranged for Wells' point of view, they've been added in! You can't even apply the logic to Wells rather than his clubs, as for a fixture to be rearranged for Wells it must have been their in the first place (i.e. originally) but it wasn't their for Wells until yesterday and nothing has changed since then. They are still original fixtures for him and for the club.

The only original fixtures are edinburghs as he was the only club at start of season he was riding for so all them fixtures take pirority

Now that he has signed for rye house there fixtures are classed as extras

The only time rye get priority is if edinburghs fixtures are re-arranged

[Guest]

RYE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE: By CRAIG SAUL

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THE BIG PREVIEW: BMR ROCKETS VS POOLE

“Without taking anything away from defending champions Wolverhampton, this really is The Big One so far.”

With those sixteen words Rye House Team Manager Peter Schroeck sums up the BMR Rockets’ approach to tomorrow’s crunch SGB Premiership clash against Poole (7pm start).

The Rockets have already seen both off the Wolves and King’s Lynn, and now they come against a club whose record speaks for itself: 9 times top-flight champions in its history. 7 times champions since 2000. 4 times gold winners in the last 6 seasons.

It is a remarkable record, and one unmatched in the modern era. And despite a Knock-Out Cup exit at the hands of early front-runners Belle Vue, all roads to this season’s Premiership title will still inevitably run through Pirate country, with the Dorset club having already rebounded from that Cup defeat with an emphatic victory at Leicester, a further away draw at Swindon and a match point at Somerset. The Pirates have also lifted the Premiership Shield by defeating Wolverhampton 98-82 on aggregate.

As Schroeck reflects, “When you look at their history, it is remarkable what the Pirates have achieved. The points limit means that they have to rebuild every winter, yet year after year they still get the job done.

“I’ve got great admiration for them, but that respect stops at Heat 1 on Saturday because we know that getting the victory will provide an enormous stepping stone for our season.

“We’ll approach the match the same way that we did last Saturday’s meeting against King’s Lynn. The boys won’t need firing up, and the aim will be to get in front of the game and hit them straight away from the off.”

This year’s Poole team includes 2014 World No.2 Krzystof Kasprzak, former Grand Prix star Hans Andersen, 2016 Australian Champion Brady Kurtz and “The Rocket Who Never Was” Nicolai Klindt, who signed for Rye ahead of the 2016 season before opting away from the club before the campaign started. Lewis Kerr – who is providing injury cover for Kyle Newman – will miss Saturday’s fixture due to a Championship commitment for Scunthorpe, but Team Manager Neil Middleditch has plugged the gap with Bradley Wilson-Dean, who popped in 9+1 when Swindon visited Hoddesdon in the Cup.

It is a shrewd choice of guest, but one balanced by the new man in town as the Rockets hand Ricky Wells his Rye House debut after the American ace replaced Davey Watt in their roster. Schroeck says of the switch: “While I am obviously sad to see Davey go, I am also absolutely chuffed to have Ricky join us. He should slot in straight away because (his Championship track) Edinburgh is very similar to our own track. More importantly, he’s an established rider, he is ultra-professional and he’s invested a lot of money in his equipment.

“I am super-excited about him, and I really believe he’s going to be a trump card for us this season.

“All in all, Saturday, will be a huge night, with hopefully another big crowd and a big match atmosphere. The aim is to give them the big result to go with it.”

BMR Rockets:
Rob Branford, Chris Harris, Edward Kennett (captain), Scott Nicholls, Ellis Perks, Stuart Robson, Ricky Wells

Poole:

Hans Andersen (captain), Jack Holder, Krzysztof Kasprzak, Nicolai Klindt, Brady Kurtz, James Shanes, Bradley Wilson-Dean (guest)

Admission: Adults £18, Seniors (over 60s) £16, Full Time Students (17-22) £10, Children (12-16) £6, Children (under 12) Free. Match Programme £2.00

In addition to the main event, the meeting will include six youth races across 150cc and 250cc classifications, with three staged before the match (6.30pm) and three afterwards.

Edited April 23, 2017 by Guest

[stevebrum]

It's in rules original fixture takes priority

Both teams fixtures are at present 'original fixtures'.

then point 4 would become relevant.

 

However as you indicate common sense has prevailed if the reply you received is adhered to.

[Ben91]

Wells signed for Edinburgh. The season started. Wells signed for Rye House. Therefore Edinburgh have priority in the event of a clash. The key bit there is underlined.

[LisaColette]

 

RYE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE:

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THE BIG PREVIEW: BMR ROCKETS VS POOLE

Without taking anything away from defending champions Wolverhampton, this really is The Big One so far.

With those sixteen words Rye House Team Manager Peter Schroeck sums up the BMR Rockets approach to tomorrows crunch SGB Premiership clash against Poole (7pm start).

The Rockets have already seen both off the Wolves and Kings Lynn, and now they come against a club whose record speaks for itself: 9 times top-flight champions in its history. 7 times champions since 2000. 4 times gold winners in the last 6 seasons.

It is a remarkable record, and one unmatched in the modern era. And despite a Knock-Out Cup exit at the hands of early front-runners Belle Vue, all roads to this seasons Premiership title will still inevitably run through Pirate country, with the Dorset club having already rebounded from that Cup defeat with an emphatic victory at Leicester, a further away draw at Swindon and a match point at Somerset. The Pirates have also lifted the Premiership Shield by defeating Wolverhampton 98-82 on aggregate.

As Schroeck reflects, When you look at their history, it is remarkable what the Pirates have achieved. The points limit means that they have to rebuild every winter, yet year after year they still get the job done.

Ive got great admiration for them, but that respect stops at Heat 1 on Saturday because we know that getting the victory will provide an enormous stepping stone for our season.

Well approach the match the same way that we did last Saturdays meeting against Kings Lynn. The boys wont need firing up, and the aim will be to get in front of the game and hit them straight away from the off.

This years Poole team includes 2014 World No.2 Krzystof Kasprzak, former Grand Prix star Hans Andersen, 2016 Australian Champion Brady Kurtz and The Rocket Who Never Was Nicolai Klindt, who signed for Rye ahead of the 2016 season before opting away from the club before the campaign started. Lewis Kerr who is providing injury cover for Kyle Newman will miss Saturdays fixture due to a Championship commitment for Scunthorpe, but Team Manager Neil Middleditch has plugged the gap with Bradley Wilson-Dean, who popped in 9+1 when Swindon visited Hoddesdon in the Cup.

It is a shrewd choice of guest, but one balanced by the new man in town as the Rockets hand Ricky Wells his Rye House debut after the American ace replaced Davey Watt in their roster. Schroeck says of the switch: While I am obviously sad to see Davey go, I am also absolutely chuffed to have Ricky join us. He should slot in straight away because (his Championship track) Edinburgh is very similar to our own track. More importantly, hes an established rider, he is ultra-professional and hes invested a lot of money in his equipment.

I am super-excited about him, and I really believe hes going to be a trump card for us this season.

All in all, Saturday, will be a huge night, with hopefully another big crowd and a big match atmosphere. The aim is to give them the big result to go with it.

BMR Rockets:

Rob Branford, Chris Harris, Edward Kennett (captain), Scott Nicholls, Ellis Perks, Stuart Robson, Ricky Wells

 

Poole:

 

Hans Andersen (captain), Jack Holder, Krzysztof Kasprzak, Nicolai Klindt, Brady Kurtz, James Shanes, Bradley Wilson-Dean (guest)

 

Admission: Adults £18, Seniors (over 60s) £16, Full Time Students (17-22) £10, Children (12-16) £6, Children (under 12) Free. Match Programme £2.00

 

In addition to the main event, the meeting will include six youth races across 150cc and 250cc classifications, with three staged before the match (6.30pm) and three afterwards.

I like this article!!

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

You can't even apply the logic to Wells rather than his clubs, as for a fixture to be rearranged for Wells it must have been their in the first place (i.e. originally) but it wasn't their for Wells until yesterday and nothing has changed since then. They are still original fixtures for him and for the club.

Of course you can.

 

Wells racing diary ORIGINALLY contained only Edinburgh fixtures. He has now signed for Rye and has therefore had to REARRANGE his racing diary to include those fixtures. 😛

[Islander15]

Of course you can.

 

Wells racing diary ORIGINALLY contained only Edinburgh fixtures. He has now signed for Rye and has therefore had to REARRANGE his racing diary to include those fixtures. 😛

Rearrange means change or move around. That hasn't happened, just more dates have been added. If a team makes the next play-offs they're not 'rearranged' fixtures just because they were t there at the start of the season, but more fixtures added. Nevertheless Edinburgh should get priority but it's not worded that way.

[stevebrum]

Wells signed for Edinburgh. The season started. Wells signed for Rye House. Therefore Edinburgh have priority in the event of a clash. The key bit there is underlined.

 

The key bit you underlined isn't in the rulebook so it's now down to common sense.

Edinburgh SHOULD have priority but not according to the rules.

[Woz01]

Edinburgh will have priority. Once the season started the only fixtures Wells had was with Edinburgh, the Rye House ones wasn't originally in his schedule. Danny King is a good example, Ipswich have priority despite him being a Kings Lynn asset.

[Shadders]

Edinburgh will have priority. Once the season started the only fixtures Wells had was with Edinburgh, the Rye House ones wasn't originally in his schedule. Danny King is a good example, Ipswich have priority despite him being a Kings Lynn asset.

That's not how it's worded

 

"1) The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-arranged fixture"

 

Technically, Rye House v Poole is not a rearranged fixture. Rearranged, by definition, infers the fixture should've taken place at some other time, but it's been in the schedule since the fixtures were announced.

Going by the wording of the ruling Rye House should have priority. Nowhere in this particular ruling does it mention the riders schedule, only the team he's racing for.

The double up/down rules need to be rewritten to reflect this.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Shads

[Ben91]

The key bit you underlined isn't in the rulebook so it's now down to common sense.

Edinburgh SHOULD have priority but not according to the rules.

 

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the club that signs the rider in the winter gets priority over the club that signs the rider during the season. I'd expect that even if the rules say otherwise that we'd have that agreement in place with Edinburgh, hence them allowing him to sign for us too. When there's a fixture clash we'll get a facility and Wells is far better than 2017 Davey Watt.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Ben91

[Woz01]

That's not how it's worded

 

"1) The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-arranged fixture"

 

Technically, Rye House v Poole is not a rearranged fixture. Rearranged, by definition, infers the fixture should've taken place at some other time, but it's been in the schedule since the fixtures were announced.

Going by the wording of the ruling Rye House should have priority. Nowhere in this particular ruling does it mention the riders schedule, only the team he's racing for.

The double up/down rules need to be rewritten to reflect this.

At the start of the season Wells original fixture would've been Edinburgh not Rye House. You cant have riders joining clubs part way through the season and all of a sudden that club have priority. As I said previously Danny King is a good example and I'm sure there have been plenty others Edited April 22, 2017 by woz01

[Shadders]

At the start of the season Wells original fixture would've been Edinburgh not Rye House. You cant have riders joining clubs part way through the season and all of a sudden that club have priority. As I said previously Danny King is a good example and I'm sure there have been plenty others

I agree, it's a pain for the club that's inconvenienced, but the way the ruling is written is ambiguous. It's clear the Rye v Poole meeting is not a rearranged fixture. Just because you're not in favour of the rule, doesn't make it invalid. Pretty sure they'll come down in favour of Edinburgh in this instance

Edited April 22, 2017 by Shads

[Trees]

Should say a rider's original booked fixture takes priority.

[Max the rebel]

I agree, it's a pain for the club that's inconvenienced, but the way the ruling is written is ambiguous. It's clear the Rye v Poole meeting is not a rearranged fixture. Just because you're not in favour of the rule, doesn't make it invalid. Pretty sure they'll come down in favour of Edinburgh in this instance

I've been told by Edinburgh that they have piroity over RICKY WELLS the only fixtures he is due to miss is if USA get into playoff of WTC thats the only clash at the moment.

If edinburgh have a rain off and the rearranged fixture falls on same day as a rye house original fixture in there diary then in this instance they get priority.

If both fixtures are rearranged fixtures then piroity is the edinburgh fixture

THIS HAS COME FROM THE TEAM IT'S SELF

[stevebrum]

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the club that signs the rider in the winter gets priority over the club that signs the rider during the season. I'd expect that even if the rules say otherwise that we'd have that agreement in place with Edinburgh, hence them allowing him to sign for us too. When there's a fixture clash we'll get a facility and Wells is far better than 2017 Davey Watt.

 

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the BSPA apply the rules as they see fit too!

Of course you are correct, that's exactly what should be happening and I fully expect that to be the case.

[Guest]

RYE HOUSE PRESS RELEASE: by CRAIG SAUL

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ROCKETS WIN “THE BIG ONE”!

It had been billed by the BMR Rockets themselves in the build-up as “The Big One”. It proved just that, on a night of tension and drama played out in front of another big Hoddesdon crowd.

When it was over, Rye House had seen off a mid-match comeback from perennial high flyers Poole to notch up another SGB Premiership victory – 49-44 – and make another statement to the rest of the League on their clear ambitions this season.

As in the previous week’s victory over A10 arch rivals King’s Lynn, Team Manager Peter Schroeck had challenged his side to build a healthy early lead, to leave the opposition chasing the match. They responded then, and they did so again here.

Rob Branford and Ellis Perks gave the Rockets the quick advantage with a 5-1 over Nicolai Klindt and the falling James Shanes in Heat 2, before Chris “Bomber” Harris kept Rye in front with a trademark from-the-back display to take second place from Jack Holder in Heat 3, Brady Kurtz’s victory making the score 10-8.

New Rocket Ricky Wells finished at the rear of the field in that one, but did not take long to make his mark in the Black, Chrome and Orange as he surged from last to first to win Heat 5. “Bomber” was quick to join him with another overtake, this one on the second lap past 2014 World No.2 Krzysztof Kasprzak to hand Rye a 5-1 – and another followed in a sensational Heat 6 as Stuart Robson cut back from the outside on the first bend to join Edward Kennett in front of Hans Andersen and Klindt.

That elevated the progressive score to 23-13, only for Kurtz to successfully don the black and white Tactical Ride helmet cover in Heat 7. With Holder keeping Scott Nicholls at bay for second spot, much of the Rockets’ hard work was undone in the space of just four laps as the resulting 8-1 brought Poole right back into contention, at 24-21.

The Pirates were nearly in front after the next heat, with only Robson’s fourth bend switch back inside Bradley Wilson-Dean to follow home Klindt preventing another Dorset maximum, before the Rockets regained control.

Harris won Heat 9 – once again from the back as he picked off both Klindt (lap 1) and Andersen (lap 3) for victory. With Wells also working his way past Klindt, the resulting 4-2 provided a little bit more breathing space.

There was a lot more fresh air between the sides once Kennett and Robson had outpaced Kurtz and a falling Holder four laps later, and with the two teams exchanging 4-2s – and Harris once again claiming the victory in Heat 12 the hard way, with a third lap pass of Holder – the Rockets led 41-34 and were happy to share the next two stanzas to ensure the overall victory.

A 4-2 to Poole in the finale ensured that a deserved consolation point would head back to Dorset, but the main three remained in Hertfordshire.

Six different Rockets contributed at least one paid race victory, with new addition Wells providing a healthy 6 points in the engine room of that mix. Another key contributor was Stuart Robson, whose paid 10 tally continued his drive back to form after a mixed start to the season. Speaking afterwards, “Robbo” said, “It was a really tough meeting. Poole kept us on our toes all night.

“That 8-1 off the black and white messed us up a bit. If it had been a 5-1, it wouldn’t have been so bad; we could have handled that, but we kind of lost our way for a couple of races before we managed to pull it back together.”

Regarding conventional 5-1s, Robbo had this to say about THAT cut-back in Heat 6: “Eddie (Kennett) made a perfect start off gate one, but I didn’t quite get as much of a jump or the run that I needed on Hans (Andersen). It wasn’t going to work for me trying the run round the outside, so I saw the move straight away, eased off a bit and cut back. I got my racing line quickly, ran it out and left enough room for Eddie to come through. Hans tried to follow him, which I didn’t realise until we had a little bit of contact coming into the (next) corner. We both had a bit of a wobble – in fact, it was a bit of a fright, to be honest with you! – but we both stayed on and luckily it went my way as well.”

Reflecting on his campaign to date, he continued: “The first few meetings this season, I struggled to get into the racing as much as I needed to. My last couple of rides at Swindon proved a bit of a turning point for me. What happened, I don’t know, but I just started to relax on the bike, to feel more comfortable, and I was more confident with that. I got a win and it’s just gone from there. That one win made a big difference.”

The next stop for the BMR Rockets is Monmore Green on Monday as they face a return match against reigning champions Wolverhampton, and the 2016 Rider of the Year is quietly confident that they can get a positive result. “It’s a great track, and consistently good for a long time now. All the boys like it, and obviously Ricky (Wells) has been a Wolves asset for quite a few years now, and it will be good to get a few tips from him as to what the home boys might use and do in order to help us!

“We all like Wolverhampton, and we’ve had good meetings there as individuals. It’s down to what happens on the night. We just need to go there and start off well, guns blazing at the beginning.”

BMR Rockets:

Edward Kennett 11+1 (5 rides), Chris Harris 10+1 (5), Stuart Robson 7+3 (4), Scott Nicholls 7 (4), Ricky Wells 6 (4), Ellis Perks 4+2 (4), Robert Branford 4+1 (4).

Poole:

Brady Kurtz 16 (5 rides, inc 6 as a TR), Krzysztof Kasprzak 9 (5), Hans Andersen 6 (4), Jack Holder 5+1 (4), Bradley Wilson-Dean 4 (4), Nicolai Klindt 4 (5), James Shanes 0 (3).

Match Points: Rye House 3 Poole 1

Edited April 23, 2017 by Guest