Solidmango Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Posted at 10.33 on the 7th November... UPDATE 2 | British riders who have never achieved a three-point average can start next season on a two in both leagues... Pretty clear now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaky11 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Posted at 10.33 on the 7th November... UPDATE 2 | British riders who have never achieved a three-point average can start next season on a two in both leagues... Pretty clear now? Yes but read the tweet linked to it which is this.... UPDATE | Where a rider has raced and averaged between 2-3 he will start next season on that true average ie Josh Bailey. So no it's not pretty clear tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Yes but read the tweet linked to it which is this.... UPDATE | Where a rider has raced and averaged between 2-3 he will start next season on that true average ie Josh Bailey. So no it's not pretty clear tbh Which rider are you referring to? If they rode PL last year and averaged sub 3, that's their average subject to a minimum of 2. If they didn't race PL last year, or before, they come in on a 2 point average in either league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 If they havn't rode 4h 4a to get an average they are a 2, if they have rode 4h 4a and their average is in between 2 and 3 they use that, e.g's being Greaves, Phillips, Bailey. It seems clear after the update to me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Did MANSE not confirm that riders such as Bacon, Smith etc come in on a 2 point average around 4-5 days ago? Hope anyone who was confused is now clear on what's happening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 If they havn't rode 4h 4a to get an average they are a 2, if they have rode 4h 4a and their average is in between 2 and 3 they use that, e.g's being Greaves, Phillips, Bailey. It seems clear after the update to me...It's now perfectly clear, but for some reason some are having a difficult time accepting/believing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 all newbies on a 3 , if you aint got an old pl average . you are a newbie (3.00) i suppose we will find out when its too late . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stewart Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I have to admit it's clear as mud at present but if they are reducing the minimum average for a foreign rider from 5.00 to 4.00 the Would seem unfair to young British riders that their assessed average remained at 3.00. And we are supposed to be encouraging British riders into the premier league, sorry "championship" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 all newbies on a 3 , if you aint got an old pl average . you are a newbie (3.00) i suppose we will find out when its too late . From the Sheffield Star.. "Sheffield have already confirmed they are hoping to include teenage sensation Jack Parkinson-Blackburn on a two-point average at reserve". Read more at: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/speedway/sheffield-tigers/sheffield-tigers-sign-danish-star-1-8222794 Giving up yet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 all newbies on a 3 , if you aint got an old pl average . you are a newbie (3.00) i suppose we will find out when its too late . You on a wind up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Posted at 10.33 on the 7th November... UPDATE 2 | British riders who have never achieved a three-point average can start next season on a two in both leagues... Pretty clear now? To be honest, not really mate Edited November 14, 2016 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Trouble with that 'definition' is, on what basis: 1. "Never achieved" - because they tried to (in 2016) but failed to reach 3.00 (e.g. 2.40) Or 2. "Never achieved" - 'cos they've never even been in the position previously of trying to attain. So, as a definition "never achieved" on its own is a rather poor set of words and undefined. The wording on the BSPA website is equally ambiguous (And in a bid to help young riders get team spots, any rider who hasnt achieved a three-point average will come in on a minimum of 2.)[/size] as that wording also fails to define upon what basis a rider "hasn't achieved". I'm inclined to reckon that the word "minimum" prior to "of 2" refers to riders that have ridden previously and their actual scoring average is less than 2.00 then the minimum of 2.00 will apply, but the actual for those over 2.00. And yes once clarified, the BSPA could well say something else than above, I'm not a lawyer but as someone that deals with contracts every day of his working life and has a law degree then that's my take on the wording as presented so far. I agree not well worded.I see it as total British newcomers who don't have an average 2 ,riders who have an average of between 2-3 pts will start on that average.If a rider who has an average but is under 2 pts will start on a 2.(could be wrong though, only MY interpretation) Edited November 8, 2016 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted November 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 It seems clear it's 2 for new riders. And that is sensible given the finishing averages of this years number 7's, more than half of them never reached 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Thank you PEP to the rest of you school awaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 From the Sheffield Star.. "Sheffield have already confirmed they are hoping to include teenage sensation Jack Parkinson-Blackburn on a two-point average at reserve". Read more at: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/speedway/sheffield-tigers/sheffield-tigers-sign-danish-star-1-8222794 Giving up yet? the words hoping to include gives it away . never give up ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) the words hoping to include gives it away . never give up ......... The 2 is a given, the "hoping" is more than likely because a deal with the lad hasn't yet been struck. Give up Jenga Edited November 8, 2016 by Catch22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 so can a British number 7 rider from last year still occupy the number 7 spot in 2017 even if he gained an average over 3.00 .? this will be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 so can a British number 7 rider from last year still occupy the number 7 spot in 2017 even if he gained an average over 3.00 .? this will be interesting thats how I read it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 so can a British number 7 rider from last year still occupy the number 7 spot in 2017 even if he gained an average over 3.00 .? this will be interesting Thought it was clear No 7 will be a 3 point British rider. if you are on say 3.2 ave that is your average and cannot be at No7. A 3.2 ave rider would have to be a No6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 not according to the official , UNOFFICIAL COMETS website . so that means anyone can have young dan in at number 7 .i think its in the 2017 thread . and that from a part of the worky team . but they say ALL new riders come in on a 2.00 which i think is wrong . we need to get this sorted asap from the bspa so who do you believe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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