Weeyin Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Like the look of this side, there is room for improvement. Nike has a lot of potential,he never gives up and this is the year be needs to kick on. Jack Smith , I don,t know much about but he should be able to mix it with his fellow 2 pointers. Tom Perry has had some good meetings at Glasgow in the past and was doing well at Peterborough before his injury, so I am happy with his inclusion, we know what our 3 heatleaders can do, they just need a bit of consistency when the going gets tough. As for young Dan, I was very impressed with him, even though he rode for the dark side, he was fast out the gate and shows incredible skill for one so young, if he can come back from his serious injury then I think he will be the one who will do a Richie Worrall and increase his average by about 2 points. There are some strong looking teams in the championship next year( even Redcar )so definitely looking forward to March....bring it on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Bewley is a decent rider but he only had an handful of good scores in the PL last year and the crash was always on the cards as he rides on the edge and a bit out of his depth but that is only a lack of experience. Glasgow have replaced Bach with Bewley cant see that been any better than last year and they only won a cup which to be fair was a little lucky as they beat Somerset who at the OTA had 4 riders on the night i believe. Nike Lunna rode at either 6 or 2 last year and stepping up to riding at 4 is a big leap which may be a little bit too much for him, he will be riding in the same position as the likes of hansen,Berge,Newma who are far better riders so Glasgow will need to have the bottom 4 on form at every meeting incase the big 3 have a bad meeting which always happens I find some of the logic applied in this post slightly off and several points are moot in relation to next season. The structure of the Glasgow side last season is obviously different to the side they will have next year, but that logic applies to every side in the league due to the drop in points limit that has watered down the product across the board, rather than just the Glasgow side. If the change made at Glasgow as a result of that watering down is Bewley out/Bach in, it has probably left them in a better position than most sides compared to their 2016 versions, that would be one point I found harsh. A second would be the reference to the scoring of Lunna and his position in the side – 2 last year, where he scored well at home last season is probably tougher than 4 next season as the majority of sides now have 2 weak reserves (in relation to the ability and talent of Lunna) rather than the 1 last year and many sides have what was previously reserve level riders in their middle order – see a side like Workington as an example of this. I would also say that Lunna irrespective of the number on his back still had to, and did, beat a lot of riders at Glasgow, there is little to suggest that will change. In previous years Glasgow’s side would have been considered to heavy (but also several points below the points limit which would have just been bad team building) but next season there bottom end is probably stronger than most bottom ends (as everyone has to work to a lower points limit) because in previous seasons other sides in the league would be considered top heavy if they had tracked the same 1-7 e.g Newcastle, but just points below the limit. The limit has changed, what is seen as strength in a side has changed as well. Edited December 5, 2016 by Minor Interest 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Lunna's progress was hampered by injury last season but he settled into the main body and all things being equal he'll finish 5.5+ Bewley is a cracking rider. If he doesn't get injured he'll improve his average. If (and it's a big iff) our top 3 can get some consistency away from home we shoukld be up there with Sheffield and Newcastle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Nikes equipment was not really the best this year apart from his engines it was pretty much last years rollers and were a bit past there best same as his mechanic!!!! he only really got it sorted after his injury and he seemed to pick up after that but next year he will be bringing 2 complete new bikes and hopefully a mechanic that will look after his equipment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Bewley is a decent rider but he only had an handful of good scores in the PL last year and the crash was always on the cards as he rides on the edge and a bit out of his depth but that is only a lack of experience. Glasgow have replaced Bach with Bewley cant see that been any better than last year and they only won a cup which to be fair was a little lucky as they beat Somerset who at the OTA had 4 riders on the night i believe. Nike Lunna rode at either 6 or 2 last year and stepping up to riding at 4 is a big leap which may be a little bit too much for him, he will be riding in the same position as the likes of hansen,Berge,Newma who are far better riders so Glasgow will need to have the bottom 4 on form at every meeting incase the big 3 have a bad meeting which always happens From August onwards, and including bonuses, he was averaging around the 8.00 mark. No reason why he can't do that again this season. For me, his signing gives Glasgow a rider who should 3 points on his average and could well put 4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 From August onwards, and including bonuses, he was averaging around the 8.00 mark. No reason why he can't do that again this season. For me, his signing gives Glasgow a rider who should 3 points on his average and could well put 4. His last 10 meetings he was averaging 7.5 home and away. He's a great signing by anyone's standards, which is a good thing but the rest of team is nothing to get excited about - Jack Smith isn't bad signing but the rest, is not have in my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 His last 10 meetings he was averaging 7.5 home and away. He's a great signing by anyone's standards, which is a good thing but the rest of team is nothing to get excited about - Jack Smith isn't bad signing but the rest, is not have in my team. You're not getting them anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 His last 10 meetings he was averaging 7.5 home and away. He's a great signing by anyone's standards, which is a good thing but the rest of team is nothing to get excited about - Jack Smith isn't bad signing but the rest, is not have in my team. seriously ? A proven top three and four youngsters capable of considerable improvement isn't good enough ????? I don't understand your thinking They proved that pressure gets to them when going got tough last season. That allegation has been levelled at them before , but when you examine the facts it's a bit unfair . Last season's novelty events first . Pairs semi final defeat by Edinburgh was one of those things you get in the Pairs . Aaron and Richard were sitting comfortably behind Masters when he slowed the race right down , a tactic often seen in the later stages of the Pairs , and Fisher managed to get past Richard , annoying but it happens . The fours was the most disappointing , only had to avoid finishing last in the final qualifying race , and that's what happened , but hey hoh . Then Richard reached the final of the PLRC - not too shabby . So close but no cigar in those events , but they are just the novelty events , nice to win , but not that important in the grand scheme of things . In the seven man competitions , we lost a League Cup final to a very good Somerset side , no shame in that . The play offs were heartbreaking , bad luck cost us in heat 13 against Sheffield . but credit them , they also beat Newcastle against the odds . But we bounced back to win the KO Cup . We had our moments on the road , the magnificent 17 points by Richie at Ipswich in a 46-44 win , and comfortable successes at Workington , Berwick and Edinburgh . Yes we faded on occasion , particularly at Peterborough and Scunthorpe after starting those meetings well , but overall it was a successful and enjoyable season , built round those three heat leaders . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 That allegation has been levelled at them before , but when you examine the facts it's a bit unfair . Last season's novelty events first . Pairs semi final defeat by Edinburgh was one of those things you get in the Pairs . Aaron and Richard were sitting comfortably behind Masters when he slowed the race right down , a tactic often seen in the later stages of the Pairs , and Fisher managed to get past Richard , annoying but it happens . The fours was the most disappointing , only had to avoid finishing last in the final qualifying race , and that's what happened , but hey hoh . Then Richard reached the final of the PLRC - not too shabby . So close but no cigar in those events , but they are just the novelty events , nice to win , but not that important in the grand scheme of things . In the seven man competitions , we lost a League Cup final to a very good Somerset side , no shame in that . The play offs were heartbreaking , bad luck cost us in heat 13 against Sheffield . but credit them , they also beat Newcastle against the odds . But we bounced back to win the KO Cup . We had our moments on the road , the magnificent 17 points by Richie at Ipswich in a 46-44 win , and comfortable successes at Workington , Berwick and Edinburgh . Yes we faded on occasion , particularly at Peterborough and Scunthorpe after starting those meetings well , but overall it was a successful and enjoyable season , built round those three heat leaders . Add to that Richard winning the British SF. OK it was at Ashfield, but some classy riders in the field who can handle the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Bewley is pivotal to this team imo, if he comes back the same rider he could put a couple of points on his average, if not... and its a very big if, esp in the main body of the team Glagow could struggle imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 Some on here are being overly pessimistic about the effect Dan Bewley's concussion will have by the start of 2017 Season. I believe he was keen to resume during early October, but based on conflicting medical opinions, wisely decided to err on the side of caution. Any Championship side would have jumped at the chance to sign him and although I'm a Monarchs fan, imo the 2017 Tigers side has the greatest potential of any to greatly increase their team average above 40 and must be favourites to clean up, unless a version of "Somerset 2016" appears from nowhere. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 His last 10 meetings he was averaging 7.5 home and away. He's a great signing by anyone's standards, which is a good thing but the rest of team is nothing to get excited about - Jack Smith isn't bad signing but the rest, is not have in my team. Small minds have always lashed out at what they don't understand......does that sound familiar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Some on here are being overly pessimistic about the effect Dan Bewley's concussion will have by the start of 2017 Season. I believe he was keen to resume during early October, but based on conflicting medical opinions, wisely decided to err on the side of caution. Any Championship side would have jumped at the chance to sign him and although I'm a Monarchs fan, imo the 2017 Tigers side has the greatest potential of any to greatly increase their tetam average above 40 and must be favourites to clean up, unless a version of "Somerset 2016" appears from nowhere. Agree with you, Any team that starts with a fit Dan Bewley in team has a rider capable of putting 4 points on his average. K 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogo1 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 If Bewley puts 4 points on to his average Glasgow will be the team to beat, I think if he does 5.5 to 6 in the main body of the team that would be a great effort. For me if Tom Perry can get up to over 5 as he did last season it could push Lunna or Bewley to reserve, then we would have real strength at the bottom end. So far I think Ipswich and Sheffield look very powerful. Don't see too many weak teams which should be good for the supporters I fully expect Peterborough and Edinburgh to be strong once they are completed All in all the championship looks very healthy and if anyone is struggling there are plenty riders looking for work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Very good team on the face of it, but only 2 things could possibly stop glasgow cleaning up IMO - lawson and summers are both very dependant on their gating & are glasgow gonna keeping kicking their own butt by messing with track all the time in the name of home advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Very good team on the face of it, but only 2 things could possibly stop glasgow cleaning up IMO - lawson and summers are both very dependant on their gating & are glasgow gonna keeping kicking their own butt by messing with track all the time in the name of home advantage. Hopefully track prep will be a lot easier next season with evening racing which as we all know is easier to prepare. I have always said that give the riders the track they all want and then prepare it like that every week weather permitting and what will be will be. You would like to think lessons have been learned and that tinkering with the track mid - meeting probably cost us more than what was gained. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Hopefully track prep will be a lot easier next season with evening racing which as we all know is easier to prepare. I have always said that give the riders the track they all want and then prepare it like that every week weather permitting and what will be will be. You would like to think lessons have been learned and that tinkering with the track mid - meeting probably cost us more than what was gained. Give the fans the track they want, not the riders. Since when do the needs of paid employees come above those of paying customers ? Sheffield gave the riders the track they wanted last season. On the Sheffield thread, fans have made it absolutely clear what they thought of it and that it has to change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Give the fans the track they want, not the riders. Since when do the needs of paid employees come above those of paying customers ? Sheffield gave the riders the track they wanted last season. On the Sheffield thread, fans have made it absolutely clear what they thought of it and that it has to change. The riders wanted the track grippy which is what most if not all fans wanted the problem was they kept tinkering with it during the meeting which meant the riders had to change set ups. A lot off good racing at Glasgow last season but it can be a lot better if they prepare it grippy and leave it like that, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Glasgow look like relying heavily on one rider. But it might be enough. As for the other 6, you might see a little improvement in them as the points limit has dropped a little but it won't be much. The top 3 have all found heir level, as has Perry. Personally never been that impressed by Lunna. But Bewley is a smashing signing. It's Sheffield and Ipswich for me. Sheffield have gone safer but Ipswich could pull it off if a couple of the riskier signings pay off. I don't think Workington look bad, Berwick look solid and Redcar are ok. Peterborough will be good at home. Scunthorpe look naff. TBH I'm not sure there's a lot in it, most teams look pretty good. Possibly the closest the league has been for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 The riders wanted the track grippy which is what most if not all fans wanted the problem was they kept tinkering with it during the meeting which meant the riders had to change set ups. A lot off good racing at Glasgow last season but it can be a lot better if they prepare it grippy and leave it like that, Won't argue with that. The amount of track grading when I was there was ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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