Speedway Agm

[Red Flag]

Red Flag, it's completely relevant if you read all the thread correctly.

I have and it's only people's opinion, my opinion is it was the beginning of the end

[SCB]

It's nothing to do with the EU and all down to promoters. They're the guys who lets most non-EU riders in on a 5 while EU riders tend to be 7 (with exceptions I ageee).

 

The promoters will do anything they think they can do to gain an advantage over others today. Sod the ensuing years and the rubbish storm it causes.

Edited October 28, 2016 by SCB

[proud panther]

The point I was making was that Rasmussen didn't cost any air fares. Thoroughly nice bloke to boot, apart from his terrible hair lol.

[GWC]

So would the PL have survived without EU riders coming in - promotions neglected training their own for ready made

available but the standard went up considerably.

 

The foot and mouth disaster 15 years ago did much damage to grass track in UK which historically produced many young

riders for Speedway.

[TB1]

The point I was making was that Rasmussen didn't cost any air fares. Thoroughly nice bloke to boot, apart from his terrible hair lol.

I didn't have a problem with the Rasmussen argument but like doubling up it got out of hand.

The point I was making was that Rasmussen didn't cost any air fares. Thoroughly nice bloke to boot, apart from his terrible hair lol.

I didn't have a problem with the Rasmussen argument but like doubling up it got out of hand.

[Humphrey Appleby]

i really do think that some riders have lost perspective of why they ride and where the sport is financially

Maybe so, but any employee is going to ask for what they think they can get. A speedway rider has no guarantee of employment from year-to-year, and could be injured tomorrow, and there will be little sentiment from their employer.

 

The fault lies squarely with promoters who agree to unsustainable demands, and who for years have failed to control costs that could be under their control.

I have long thought that many of the problems in UK speedway began with the decision to allow Jens Rasmussen and Peter Shroek to sign for Rye House. That decision opened the floodgates to average foreigners and air fares resulting in increased costs, fewer spots for British riders and an inconsistent fixture list as so many riders are unavailable due to other commitments.

Are people really still banging on about something that happened nearly 30 years ago? And are people forgetting that Commonwealth riders were always allowed in the NL as far as I remember.

 

Where things went wrong was the introduction and maintenance of an asset system that meant British riders attracted a transfer fee, whilst foreign riders initially could be signed for free.

 

You could probably also point to the demise of second halves and the introduction of 'professional' junior leagues that saw 30-year-old juniors taking team places.

 

Then there was the opening up of Eastern Europe after the Cold War that created a available pool of (initially) cheap riders, combined with British promoters looking to cut costs.

 

And finally, why shouldn't British resident riders have the right to compete at whatever level someone's willing to employ them? Rasmussen could presumably have just taken out a British passport and ridden as a Brit anyway.

 

Again it ultimately comes back to promoters failing to control costs, not blaming those who were employed.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[Pirates Of Poole]

So according to today mirror newspaper Somerset plus 2 other clubs are targeting a move into the Elite League.

[mikebv]

You are dead right.

It's not the only reason for speedway's current troubles, but it is the single biggest reason for speedway's current troubles.

Indirectly yes.

 

Opening the floodgates, with hardly any control, delivered so much of what we have today...

 

i.e. A business that 'opens' sporadically and only then, when its (mainly overseas) workforce dictate to the business owner when they will work for them...

 

Imagine opening any 'leisure business' chasing the 'leisure pound', and expecting to be successful whilst only being able to open the odd weekend (THE key time for anyone in the leisure industry) here and there because your employees are not available as they are working elsewhere?

 

Imagine running a business whose success is completely based on the loyalty of its patrons and only being able to tell your patrons your (ever changing) opening times as and when you can get someone to work for you..?

 

Imagine running a business that you know needs to attract a new much younger customer base to survive, as your dwindling customer demographic is of an extreme elderly persuasion, yet you hardly open on Friday and Saturday nights, Sunday day, or even through the school hols as you cannot get staff?

 

Incredibly that is Speedways business model...

 

Amazed it has worked so well...!😀

 

Imagine going to a bank manager for a loan with that as your business plan and expecting them to throw some money your way!!😃

Edited October 29, 2016 by mikebv

[foamfence]

So according to today mirror newspaper Somerset plus 2 other clubs are targeting a move into the Elite League.

Can you supply a link to the actual article?

[Long Eye]

Can you supply a link to the actual article?

WHSmiths?

[foamfence]

WHSmiths?

There always has to be a c*nt and today you're it.

[LisaColette]

Go and buy the paper! They only give speedway a paragraph so doubt they'll waste their time putting it online.

 

Interesting if Somerset move up, as I see them as Poole of the PL! Guess the other two might be Rye House and Glasgow?!

[Skid Sprocket]

Go and buy the paper! They only give speedway a paragraph so doubt they'll waste their time putting it online.

 

Interesting if Somerset move up, as I see them as Poole of the PL! Guess the other two might be Rye House and Glasgow?!

As I said in a post way back, "what are we doing as supporters to promote the sport". There is an example where we could at least have a go, do we just sit back and leave it to someone else?

[Fromafar]

So according to today mirror newspaper Somerset plus 2 other clubs are targeting a move into the Elite League.

If that is the case good luck to them,they will need it! Edited October 29, 2016 by Fromafar

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Maybe so, but any employee is going to ask for what they think they can get. A speedway rider has no guarantee of employment from year-to-year, and could be injured tomorrow, and there will be little sentiment from their employer.

 

The fault lies squarely with promoters who agree to unsustainable demands, and who for years have failed to control costs that could be under their control.

this is the point I made in other posts , the riders and the tuners are the ones controlling the sport , when I make the sort of posts usually on Facebook I get stick from riders and if I make the point to someone from the Bspa I get told these things get done to help the rider but neither mention or even seem to give a damn about the fans and contrary to the belief of many in the sport the fans are the ones that matter the most , I would love the sport to be covered in Money and every rider to be paid a fortune but unfortunately it isn't and that's the fact of it , yes it's a job for some but lately it seems that if you buy a couple of bikes some think they have made it and deserve to be paid the world and promotors seem to be agreeing even though they can't afford , I get the riders will try elsewhere to get what they are after but it needs s collective stand from promotors , riders have become mercenary's and I really do believe that the fans feel this and the bond between fans and riders has been lost because of it , I am forever asking ex riders , ex fans or anybody who was a part of speedway their feelings about it now and they all seem to paint the same picture about where we are , I was in a room at the start of this year where a NL rider was talking about his new team and how he wanted a van from them and they said no and his points money, it wasn't the best in the league but was certainly above most , he said I will turn up with one crap bike because they don't derserve anything else and I can't wait to Guest for another team as they pay more, all I kept thinking was i hope his fans never hear this attitude , riders are going down the wrong road for the sports good and the promotors are letting it happen but it's pointless pointing the finger of blame, we are where we are it's what we going to do about it that matters Edited October 30, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[g13webb]

this is the point I made in other posts , the riders and the tuners are the ones controlling the sport , when I make the sort of posts usually on Facebook I get stick from riders and if I make the point to someone from the Bspa I get told these things get done to help the rider but neither mention or even seem to give a damn about the fans and contrary to the belief of many in the sport the fans are the ones that matter the most , I would love the sport to be covered in Money and every rider to be paid a fortune but unfortunately it isn't and that's the fact of it , yes it's a job for some but lately it seems that if you buy a couple of bikes some think they have made it and deserve to be paid the world and promotors seem to be agreeing even though they can't afford , I get the riders will try elsewhere to get what they are after but it needs s collective stand from promotors , riders have become mercenary's and I really do believe that the fans feel this and the bond between fans and riders has been lost because of it , I am forever asking ex riders , ex fans or anybody who was a part of speedway their feelings about it now and they all seem to paint the same picture about where we are , I was in a room at the start of this year where a NL rider was talking about his new team and how he wanted a van from them and they said no and his points money, it wasn't the best in the league but was certainly above most , he said I will turn up with one crap bike because they don't derserve anything else and I can't wait to Guest for another team as they pay more, all I kept thinking was i hope his fans never hear this attitude , riders are going down the wrong road for the sports good and the promotors are letting it happen but it's pointless pointing the finger of blame, we are where we are it's what we going to do about it that matters

 

 

This has been the situation now for many years. I thinks its criminal that tuners are taking big money away from the sport at the expense of the Promoters and Fans. Separating the SGP as a unique F1 of speedway, where tuning is allowed, all the other events,the bikes are far too expensive for the fan base that supports the bread and butter league racing. Bikes should be standardised and sealed to reduce these cost and bring more equal competitive racing that the fans can afford. Even to go as far as standardise the payments for team positions. We need to control these cost else the sport will die....

Edited October 31, 2016 by GRW123

[Trees]

That's where the Gerhard comes in?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

That's where the Gerhard comes in?

the GTR is possibly the answer for the premier and elite league but it must stay a GTR and have no other parts or tuning allowed but I think at £5000 a go it is a bridge to far for the national league , I was talking to a national league rider last Sunday who had borrowed one for the day , I asked him is this the future for you and his reply was "not at £5000 it isn't ", I was thinking about the second hand market for these engines but that depended on the price of the parts Edited October 31, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[FAST GATER]

the GTR is possibly the answer for the premier and elite league but it must stay a GTR and have no other parts or tuning allowed but I think at £5000 a go it is a bridge to far for the national league , I was talking to a national league rider last Sunday who had borrowed one for the day , I asked him is this the future for you and his reply was "not at £5000 it isn't ", I was thinking about the second hand market for these engines but that depended on the price of the parts

If it was to become more widely used would there be a chance to make them more affordable plus with the inferred maintenance saving this must compensate for the greater initial outlay but this is s/way of course so common sense is often thin on the ground !

[Gavan]

The only thing that you can be certain of is that they will change the Rules - - - AGAIN!!!

 

On the other hand - they might do something sensible and get rid of Double P{oints. :approve:

There needs to be change and mainly in the role and averages of the reserves.

 

Time for the likes of Worrall, Auty , Wright, Starke, Newman, Howarth to either move into the top 5 or not be allowed to be a reserve. They have served there time.

Also they need to get rid of the premier conversion as it doesnt work. A rider like Kyle Newman can get an average over 5.5 , mainly from reserve, and then the next season stay at reserve on 3.79. Total farce if things like that are allowed to continue