MattK Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I think the doubling-up rule will be crucial. Playing around with some line-ups, most EL teams will have four or five riders who'll likely want to double up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 They can't refuse to go up its been agreed by all clubs It's all been heard before, and then gone out the window the moment a team threatens to fold. It's also clearly ludicrous to force a team that wants to stay in the top flight to be relegated, whilst teams below don't want to be promoted. Until places in the top flight need to be rationed, the promotion and relegation will always be a non-starter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 There are two teams named in division 1 as confirmed participants, but in neither case is there a definite promoter/s (albeit one seems to have an interim one, and the other has the BSPA as promoter). What if those two don't actually end up taking part? The two leagues would have to be combined, and as there's now only a fag paper between the leagues,it would be a relatively simple matter. Maybe that's the real reason for this new league structure?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 The season just finished was my 37th of watching speedway and today's announcement has to be about the 25th time they have said it was the BEST EVER AGM there has ever been 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 The season just finished was my 37th of watching speedway and today's announcement has to be about the 25th time they have said it was the BEST EVER AGM there has ever been Maybe they have been. The problem is that the previous bar is always set very low... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 simples! Why didn't the fans think of it ,has to be the question,best AGM again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So end result is a weaker top flight. Promotion and relegation that will be meaningless. More issues with odd averages The only good thing that I can see is the changing to conventional format. But, I can see the gulf between number ones and reserves being greater than ever, so maybe the previous format, with a sensible approach to weighting averages, would have been better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Having waited on 50 odd AGM's, this has to go down as a real positive. Far more has evolved than I could imagine, so well done to Buster and his merry men. I can see plenty to look forward to and hope that all clubs play it by the book. Obviously, there is still some tweaking needed but this is far better than I ever imagine. Like the Brexit vote, I hope we can run our sport individually from European countries and create a product that attract riders who want to be involved. There's more to Speedway than SGP meetings.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Quite a positive AGM chuffed that Somerset are moving up will make the effort to see more of them this year.The only downer for me was i was hoping the EL would bring in a rule that a Englishman had to be in the 1-5 and a young Englishman at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 teams wont be able to build up to 50pts during the season,its only for initial team building.they wont be able to replace 4pt rider with an 8pt rider after the first set of averages,if for example they wish to replace a rider with say 4.3 ave, replacement rider will be 4.3 or below,so not as many team changes as some think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Should have got rid of the double points rule. Bring back the old tac sub rule when 6 points down only use twice and can't use one in a heat where a reserve is in . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 They succeed every year in making me less and less interested.!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'm happy with it but what about in the play offs if a double upper rides for both clubs!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I assume that Swindon confirmed their ability to run in 2017 Did they say where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'm happy with it but what about in the play offs if a double upper rides for both clubs!?It will be the same as a clash of fixtures, if they are an asset of one of the clubs they ride for them, if they are not they ride for the team in the same league of which their owners are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 teams wont be able to build up to 50pts during the season,its only for initial team building.they wont be able to replace 4pt rider with an 8pt rider after the first set of averages,if for example they wish to replace a rider with say 4.3 ave, replacement rider will be 4.3 or below,so not as many team changes as some think. How do you know that ? Where does it say so ? As far as I know, the official rules haven't been published yet, there appears to be a lot of speculation in interpreting what is only a press release outlining certain changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) teams wont be able to build up to 50pts during the season,its only for initial team building.they wont be able to replace 4pt rider with an 8pt rider after the first set of averages,if for example they wish to replace a rider with say 4.3 ave, replacement rider will be 4.3 or below,so not as many team changes as some think. Do you think the bspa have thought of that, based on previous agm changes I would be surprised if they have. Edited November 4, 2016 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 So Glasgow could win the Championship, beat Leicester in the play off's, then refuse to go up. Meanwhile, Buxton finish bottom of the National League, but apply to join the Premiership, & are accepted. No wonder people don't take Speedway seriously !! There's always a way...mystery illnesses, breakdowns en-route, etc...if a Championship team doesn't want to be promoted hen the situation can be "engineered" to prevent it from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Nice to see that the press release has been amended to clarify the 1.4 issue, it now reads "by a factor of 1.4" Most people reading the original statement would assume an increase of 1.4 would mean an addition, I did, when all it needed to say was "multiplied by 1.4" However I do think this just goes to show how the rule book gets into such a mess, if a simple point such as this is so misinterpreted. The same can be said for "riders who only raced in the Elite League", do they mean that, does the National League come into the equation ? (I'm thinking Adam Ellis here) A more forward thinking organisation would have gone through the rider list and published new averages right now, to accompany the press release. Do the Promoters write the rule book ? The original release said that 1.4 would be added, multiplication or factor were not mentioned at all. Oh, I don't think it did, go to post no 248 and you'll see that it says "increased by 1.4", which most people I believe would assume to mean a rider on, say, 8 would become 9.4. I know multiplication or factors weren't mentioned, that was the point of my post. I'm not sure why you have posted, you appear to be agreeing with me but trying to pick me up on a technicality which you have got wrong yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Promotion and relegation brilliant idea ,dont know why it's never been tried before , gives the lower division something to strive for and aaded interest come the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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