Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) It was not my intention to be just negative. I just cannot see anything actually radical. Change your name to Stevie Wonder. Would assume a rider doubling up will ride for the club who owns his contract which is nearly always the top league club. But agree that would be so naff in a play-off match. Promotion and relegation always feels a gimic. The top league club will win 99 times out of 100. If they are serious about promotion and relegation then don't have a play-off. Bottom team down, top team up end of. you are right. it's been cleared up with a tweet from BPSA. I hope the play off is a way of filling a stadium twice if the two teams look equal. Would Somerset have beaten Leicester in 2016 ? Edited November 3, 2016 by marky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 How can a rider have a 13.41 average when the max over 4 rides is 12........The 5th ride is never included when an average is calculated. Reading between the lines, it does look like an attempt to make the top tier riders significantly less attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 a 3pt premier rider has a budget same as 10pt rider has a budget. Everyone has to work within their own budget or they go broke. A 3pt rider, probably a young kid, will buy cast off stuff same as they do every season. If they buy new engines its up to them how they spend there cash. As more riders enter the sport they should buy Gergart to save money. Look for the positive not the negative. how the hell does a 3pt rider have the same budget ??? somebody like cook would get a signing on fee have decent sponsors and earnt decent money from the year before( if he actually got paid) so how does a 17 year old kid whos never been in a professional league afford the same kit as him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Reading between the lines, it does look like an attempt to make the top tier riders significantly less attractive. yes. But cost cutting is part of this agm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I have it clear in my head now, the conversion of average x 1.4 allows for team bullring, after the first set of averages a rider will then get a "true" average. This applies to both league. The new (old) race format should help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 If the cost savings that are being spoken about are true,then it could be argued that a seasons savings will more than pay for the engine, when it cost 3 x the amount to service a poxy Italian single cylinder engine as it does my car,somthings has to change so you could say cant they afford not to use them? if the GTR is the route we are taking then British speedway need to make sure all the parts are holomagated and only those parts can be used and no additional work can be done to the parts , in other words keep it a GTR otherwise we will be back to square one , I expect speedway star to run a full page spread from pjr about how it won't work 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) how the hell does a 3pt rider have the same budget ??? somebody like cook would get a signing on fee have decent sponsors and earnt decent money from the year before( if he actually got paid) so how does a 17 year old kid whos never been in a professional league afford the same kit as him read what I wrote again. Each rider has his own budget and works to it. Read it again. Every rider has his own budget and works to it. Its not hard to understand, Edited November 3, 2016 by marky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) So Glasgow could win the Championship, beat Leicester in the play off's, then refuse to go up. Meanwhile, Buxton finish bottom of the National League, but apply to join the Premiership, & are accepted. No wonder people don't take Speedway seriously !! Edited November 3, 2016 by proud panther 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 There was a point raised last year where averages used was brought up. Team building averages which included the reductions for British riders having ridden in the NL get -2.5% from their CMA. There might be a similar situation of Team Building CMA being used but we are all putting our thoughts on this topic based on an approx. 300 word statement. The SCB have been trying to sort new rules since early June from what I have read elsewhere, so more will be forthcoming. Concerning the GTR engine, there has also been snippets of a new GR engine being tested with better oiling/cooling required. In the SS, there is a 2 page spread on Jawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 So Glasgow could win the Championship, beat Leicester in the play off's, then refuse to go up. Meanwhile, Buxton finish bottom of the National League, but apply to join the Premiership, & are accepted. No wonder people don/t take Speedway seriously !! good to see you looking for the positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 if the GTR is the route we are taking then British speedway need to make sure all the parts are holomagated and only those parts can be used and no additional work can be done to the parts , in other words keep it a GTR otherwise we will be back to square one , I expect speedway star to run a full page spread from pjr about how it won't work Wherever there is a will theres a way im sure... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott0311 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) So Glasgow could win the Championship, beat Leicester in the play off's, then refuse to go up. Meanwhile, Buxton finish bottom of the National League, but apply to join the Premiership, & are accepted. No wonder people don't take Speedway seriously !! Not according to this tweet User Actions Following SpeedwayGB@SpeedwayGB SpeedwayGB Retweeted Darren Moody They have all signed up to the rules! SpeedwayGB added, @SpeedwayGB is promotion and relegation compulsory? Clubs can't opt out etc? 8:42 AM - 3 Nov 2016 Edited November 3, 2016 by Scott0311 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) I have it clear in my head now, the conversion of average x 1.4 allows for team bullring, after the first set of averages a rider will then get a "true" average. This applies to both league. The new (old) race format should help Which is why I raised the point earlier re increased by or mult by 1.4, but as one or two have said when greensheets are calc after the first month or two and proper averages have been earnt there are going to be some big gaps up to the 50 limit. If you take the present Swindon team averages and mult by 1.4 you end up with 58.76. If you take the present Swindon team averages and add 1.4 per rider you end up with 51.78 You could use the EL average plus 1.4 for team building but that average would not then be right as a PL average. Is there ever a year when what the BSPA publish as the "rules for whenever" are unambiguous. Edited November 3, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 So Glasgow could win the Championship, beat Leicester in the play off's, then refuse to go up. Meanwhile, Buxton finish bottom of the National League, but apply to join the Premiership, & are accepted. No wonder people don't take Speedway seriously !! Happened last time they tried this. It will happen again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 My first reaction is that I'm totally underwhelmed.What did you expect, nothing would bring you back would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Spotted an issue already SpeedwayGB have said averages will be real as of the 1st set of greensheets. If the premiership team building is 50 it's almost impossible for any team to maintain that figure. Effectively, the teams with the biggest wallets can replace reserves for heatleaders after the 1st set of averages. The gap from top to bottom of the Premiership could be bigger than ever They are boosting averages by 1.4 for former Elite riders, so some clubs will quite easily reach 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Are they allowing doubling/trebling up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyke Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Not according to this tweet User Actions Following SpeedwayGB@SpeedwayGB SpeedwayGB Retweeted Darren Moody They have all signed up to the rules! SpeedwayGB added, @SpeedwayGB is promotion and relegation compulsory? Clubs can't opt out etc? 8:42 AM - 3 Nov 2016 Its not as if U turns are unheard of in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Are they allowing doubling/trebling up ? yes. I think Jason Doyle is looking to treble up and has mentioned Buxton. Not sure what his average will be ?? Chris Holder just said on Twitter he could be Poole and Plymouth. Edited November 3, 2016 by marky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 What did you expect, nothing would bring you back would it? Probably not on a regular basis. Change a few of the more stupid rules and I might attend occasionally ( that's if hubby and daughter can be bothered of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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