hans fan Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 OK so Chris holder now has an average greater than 12, lets wait and see the amendments come in quick and fast! and doyle has what average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Spotted an issue already SpeedwayGB have said averages will be real as of the 1st set of greensheets. If the premiership team building is 50 it's almost impossible for any team to maintain that figure. Effectively, the teams with the biggest wallets can replace reserves for heatleaders after the 1st set of averages. The gap from top to bottom of the Premiership could be bigger than ever Simple to stop. Riders being replaced must be based of their starting average not their greensheet one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 and doyle has what average my mistake as mentioned earlier is just adding 1.4 not times it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is there any wage capping introduced in the AGM ? Or are we still going to be paying out more than what's coming in ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 It increased by 1.4, not x 1.4. For example Doyley will now be 10.98 from 9.58. If it was x's he'd be 13.41, the averages are only calculated on 4 rides......i.e max of 12. That doesn't make any sense. Nick Morris would be 7.81 and Brady Kurtz 9.22 - despite currently have almost identical EL averages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TesarRacing Posted November 3, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Well I really sincerely hope the revamps announced at the AGM help to see a change in the fortunes of speedway in the UK. I probably won't be popular saying this but I really don't envy being a promoter and I do have a lot of sympathy with most of them. It must be very difficult getting a successful format to make sure that financially you can get through the season. You only have to look at all the differing views on the forum to see that it is nigh on impossible to please everyone. As supporters, if we want to ensure the sports recovers and thrives we have got to get behind our respective teams and support them rather than constantly moaning. We also need try to bring in new supporters. I know many will say this is the role of promoters which is correct but they need our help and we can make a huge difference in getting more people in through the turnstiles. Here's to the 2017 season! 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 my mistake as mentioned earlier is just adding 1.4 not times it It is x1.4 as confirmed below https://twitter.com/SpeedwayGB/status/794200022145531906 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 no name good point. It does say increase rather than converted by. This is one of the problems of the race format in the EL this year where heat leaders rode against heat leaders 3 times & EDR's against each other 3 times. The only riders with true averages are the 2nd strings, provided they rode there all season, as they rode against riders similar to the PL format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Well I really sincerely hope the revamps announced at the AGM help to see a change in the fortunes of speedway in the UK. I probably won't be popular saying this but I really don't envy being a promoter and I do have a lot of sympathy with most of them. It must be very difficult getting a successful format to make sure that financially you can get through the season. You only have to look at all the differing views on the forum to see that it is nigh on impossible to please everyone. As supporters, if we want to ensure the sports recovers and thrives we have got to get behind our respective teams and support them rather than constantly moaning. We also need try to bring in new supporters. I know many will say this is the role of promoters which is correct but they need our help and we can make a huge difference in getting more people in through the turnstiles. Here's to the 2017 season! Well said mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Deck chairs & Titanic spring to mind It's stupid comments like this that makes others dismay. Have you been saving that one up to be the first. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 i think i read they will have it increased by 1.4 not multiplied by 1.4... so an 8 should be 9.4 is that right ? its been explained on twitter and multiplied by 1.4. Agree the press release is badly worded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is there any wage capping introduced in the AGM ? Or are we still going to be paying out more than what's coming in ? That depends on the respective promotions to deal with. If you cannot afford it you dont buy it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I don't know personal finances. But if the engines from different makers cost about the same yet maintenance is a fraction of the cost. You do the maths and I'm sure riders are doing some sums too. Easy to buy a Gerhard when your current engine expires. tell me how a 3pt premier rider can afford 2 new gerhard engines at the start of seaon ??? will he actually earn 10k all season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) It was not my intention to be just negative. I just cannot see anything actually radical. I see a fair bit of tinkering with the inner workings of the sport. Averages and altering points limits again! But every time we make changes to those areas it just give rise to more acrimony when certain promoters are able to make use of new and juicy loopholes that had not been thought of at the AGM by the less astute. And I see very little change to the actual product. I had been waiting for something to come out at the AGM about the various 'test meetings' from earlier in the year. Some truly 'radical' ideas were being mentioned about the product on the night. Have they been binned? Edited November 3, 2016 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) How can a rider have a 13.41 average when the max over 4 rides is 12........The 5th ride is never included when an average is calculated. Edited November 3, 2016 by hyabb17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Interesting is the part on the Gerhard engines ie running cost,i think that is a massive step towards speedway being sustainable,if the running costs are to be believed To reduce cost burden on riders,especially in the lower leagues could be a huge boost to the sport,lets hope it works Quite agree, but there are still some on here will boringly say "it's still not radical". FFS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Be fun when those riders over twelve get a real average and teams have 3 or so points to play with!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) If a rider is doubling up. His team finishes bottom of the Prem but the other team is top of the Champ then who does he ride for in the promotion play off ? If riders have one average that applies to both leagues I'm assuming they can all double up with no nationality bias ?? If a rider does double up how is their on-going average adjusted throughout the year. I guess his Prem points are multiplied by 1.4 but Champ points are taken as scored. Good to see the PLRC (now CLRC, that has to change) moved to another track. Hope the British Final gets moved from Wolves too. A good track but too many first bend bunching problems. Would assume a rider doubling up will ride for the club who owns his contract which is nearly always the top league club. But agree that would be so naff in a play-off match. Promotion and relegation always feels a gimic. The top league club will win 99 times out of 100. If they are serious about promotion and relegation then don't have a play-off. Bottom team down, top team up end of. Edited November 3, 2016 by NJC71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 tell me how a 3pt premier rider can afford 2 new gerhard engines at the start of seaon ??? will he actually earn 10k all season a 3pt premier rider has a budget same as 10pt rider has a budget. Everyone has to work within their own budget or they go broke. A 3pt rider, probably a young kid, will buy cast off stuff same as they do every season. If they buy new engines its up to them how they spend there cash. As more riders enter the sport they should buy Gergart to save money. Look for the positive not the negative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 How can a rider have a 13.41 average when the max over 4 rides is 12........The 5th ride is never included when an average is calculated. This is my point earlier No team will hold their 50 point average That 13.41 is likely to drop to around 9 on the first greensheets This means a team with the deepest pockets will sack a 4 pointer for an 8 pointer immediately 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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