foamfence Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Must be a leak or two before tomorrow afternoon surely? Only after the bar opens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Must be a leak or two before tomorrow afternoon surely? I expect so my little goldfish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Must be a leak or two before tomorrow afternoon surely? They have their incontinence pants with them this time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 They have their incontinence pants with them this time Haven't you old duffers to annoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 IMO the basics are scrapping doubling up / down and reintroducing real team speedway , not this mercenary driven free for all we currently have and admission costs reduced , until these are addressed I don't think we will ever begin to recover , we have to dangle a temptation carrot to the wider public, I keep seeing riders tweets about what's in this agm for them ? What about the fans ? Very true without the fans theres nothing at all in it for the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 There are definitely not enough riders of a good enough standard that want to ride in Britain to fill every team. Then they need to cut down the number of riders per team.... One of the problems in the Sport is the huge ability gap between numbers one and seven so run with less riders but of a more equal ability level... Maybe make five man teams from last years EL septets eg take Zagar and Jacobs out of BV's team from last year and you have no 'superstars' nor 'NL heat leaders' and must surely be cheaper to run...? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Peterborough ? Would love it to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) If that is right - another bloody daft decision. Pathetic really. As Victor Meldrew once said I do not believe it. They didn't really announce green helmet colours instead of yellow. Some saw the sarcasm of that being the promoters big Day 1 decision and some didn't. But Jason Doyle did tweet he is doubling up next season as he wants more time on the bike. Which team will he add to Swindon ? Edited November 2, 2016 by marky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Then they need to cut down the number of riders per team.... One of the problems in the Sport is the huge ability gap between numbers one and seven so run with less riders but of a more equal ability level... Maybe make five man teams from last years EL septets eg take Zagar and Jacobs out of BV's team from last year and you have no 'superstars' nor 'NL heat leaders' and must surely be cheaper to run...? Not do maths at school? Currently you have fifteen heats with fourteen riders. This means you pay for 90 points. You want 6-man teams? That's 12 riders. But you'll still want 15 heats, yes? So you're still paying for 90 points. Your saving is..........? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Not do maths at school? Currently you have fifteen heats with fourteen riders. This means you pay for 90 points. You want 6-man teams? That's 12 riders. But you'll still want 15 heats, yes? So you're still paying for 90 points. Your saving is..........? The suggestion was 13 heats. You save on travel and all the other bits that riders insist on having before they sign up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Not do maths at school? Currently you have fifteen heats with fourteen riders. This means you pay for 90 points. You want 6-man teams? That's 12 riders. But you'll still want 15 heats, yes? So you're still paying for 90 points. Your saving is..........? The amount you pay the riders isn't often down to points scored... Points money is often completely irrelevant given the differing deals riders do.. Zagar was said to be on £3k regardless of points scored... Top riders can get £2k basic before scoring any points therefore having No GP rider must reduce the cost base.. PS. Taking TWO riders out of SEVEN in the example I gave means FIVE riders per team therefore TEN in total not TWELVE like you calculated.. Did YOU not do maths at school..?😁 PPS. I didn't mention anything about how many heats a meeting should have..(?) Did YOU not do English either...?😁 Edited November 2, 2016 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Looking at all the posts on here it's fair to say loads of people want something different depending on who they support and their own personal circumstances. Fair to say whatever comes out of the AGM they won't please everyone so damned if they do, damned if they don't. Who'd be a promoter. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Looking at all the posts on here it's fair to say loads of people want something different depending on who they support and their own personal circumstances. Fair to say whatever comes out of the AGM they won't please everyone so damned if they do, damned if they don't. Who'd be a promoter. The problem is that they seem to spend a lot of time and effort not pleasing - anyone..................... They don't seem too bothered that they, in some ways, are driving folk away from the Sport - not attracting them as they ought to be. Edited November 2, 2016 by The White Knight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 The problem is that they seem to spend a lot of time and effort not pleasing - anyone..................... They don't seem too bothered that they, in some ways, are driving folk away from the Sport - not attracting them as they ought to be. Whilst I don't have the confidence that anything will change, The lakeside withdrawal from the EL will surely provide change in the top division. Presumably nothing else changes then, as I thought all teams had to declare intention to run before the agm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Whilst I don't have the confidence that anything will change, The lakeside withdrawal from the EL will surely provide change in the top division. And for those of us whose first language is English . . . . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 The problem is that they seem to spend a lot of time and effort not pleasing - anyone..................... They don't seem too bothered that they, in some ways, are driving folk away from the Sport - not attracting them as they ought to be. I find the words in the above post a fallacy, a misconception and a massively incorrect positioning of actual circumstances and quite unfair on promotions. It (speedway) is their (the promoters) business! It’s the thing they invest far more time and money into than the vast majority of fans (not something fans like to hear, but a truth none the less) so why would they (promoters) invest time and effort to consciously “not please anyone” and damage their own business? What you are attempting to say doesn’t make one ounce of sense – it isn’t considered, weighted or logical - it just sounds like the thing people think they should be saying on this forum now, mainly because it has turned into an echo chamber of the same voices saying the same false truths. Some fans have imagined the idea (wrongly) that promoters have attempted to drive a wedge between the sport and fans – the situation that is closer to the truth is that individuals tend to impose their own views on situations and then pass that scenario of as a truth, reality, actual event – even though said situation hasn’t actually occurred…but say thing often enough you might start to make people believe it. While it is a feeling and no one should be told to change how they feel, there are fans on here who should stop trying to pass their feelings of so strongly, so much so that they have created a promotional boogeyman that doesn’t even exist, and thus people on here are fighting the case for and against situations that never actually occur (eg your post) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 And for those of us whose first language is English . . . . ? Nothing changes the status quo remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 The suggestion was 13 heats. You save on travel and all the other bits that riders insist on having before they sign up. Really, so how do you do that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Really, so how do you do that ? Six riders over 13 heats is cheaper than seven riders over 15 heats. (Some have been mentioning a possible change of format). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Six riders over 13 heats is cheaper than seven riders over 15 heats. (Some have been mentioning a possible change of format).just nit picking as usual never got a solution is self 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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