Speedway Agm

[FAST GATER]

With regards to cost cutting I think that the riders will have to be forced as by nature they want to go faster will spend and do anything to achieve this using any reason for not stopping ranging from a safety issues to the fact of not being able to earn a living . How to do this will take some strong and brave decisions being made by the sports governing body and I don't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon .

 

It would be interesting to prehaps see some match races or an open meeting even with factory GTR being provided for all riders to see how they coped it would be on a level plainfield and should be down to pure skill and ability to adapt .

[SteveLyric2]

What is the date of the AGM?

 

AGM is a 3-day meeting this year and its midweek - November 1st-3rd in Broxbourne at the National Speedway Museum..

 

Pre-AGM meetings are a regular thing, believe it or not, when all things are on the table and up for discussion. Usually there is a consensus of changes which Promoters are asked to take away and consider prior to the AGM.

 

Buster is the new Chairman so it remains to be seen how 'strict' he is as to how the 3-day AGM runs. In the past there has been time for the EL and PL clubs to have their own separate meetings before coming back to the AGM table.

 

Any AGM Agenda should usually only be a 'rubber-stamping' exercise with maybe only one or two 'extra' items added, but judging by the amount of dis-harmony referred to in the SS and elsewhere at the pre-meetings then I'm certain it won't be an easy, smooth meeting with 100% agreement.

[arnieg]

AGM Agenda

 

1. Apologies

2. Minutes of last meeting

3. Assessed averages for foreign deckchairs

4. Relocating of deckchairs

5. Allocation of lifeboats

6. Abandon ship

[Steve Shovlar]

The agm should have already happened two months ago. November as far too late to sort out rules and plans for the following season. Other countries are so far ahead of the game its a joke. An agm in November is a completely antiquated time to run it.

 

If it was held in August/September riders would be happy to have their teams berths sorted, or if they are to be dropped, give themselves longer to find another club.

[Mike.Butler]

as a very minimum there should be the same meeting rules for matches in all divisions.. make the job of refs a lot easier, not too much to ask is it?

 

More optimistically, in order to get a license to run all promoters should be required to sign up to a mission statement that says they will always consider the sport in the Uk as a whole as a priority and also to treat supporters fairly at all times rather than take them for granted. Any found to be in clear breach for whatever reason should be fined and if repetaed have their license revoked. Further that all official fixtures MUST be completed.

At this AGM any prospective Leicester or Stoke promoters should be made to ride at least 3 official home matches every month from 1st April to end of 31st August without fail, since they have shown themselves unable to manage left to their own devices.

In the case of repeat offenders Stoke they should be paying up front a bond that is only returned once all league fixtures are complete.

 

Until this sport is run and governed professionally there is no hope. Surely any sport that professes to be professional should expect some minimum commitments shouldn't they? makes my blood boil

Edited October 24, 2016 by Mike.Butler

[Skid Sprocket]

 

AGM is a 3-day meeting this year and its midweek - November 1st-3rd in Broxbourne at the National Speedway Museum..

 

Pre-AGM meetings are a regular thing, believe it or not, when all things are on the table and up for discussion. Usually there is a consensus of changes which Promoters are asked to take away and consider prior to the AGM.

 

Buster is the new Chairman so it remains to be seen how 'strict' he is as to how the 3-day AGM runs. In the past there has been time for the EL and PL clubs to have their own separate meetings before coming back to the AGM table.

 

Any AGM Agenda should usually only be a 'rubber-stamping' exercise with maybe only one or two 'extra' items added, but judging by the amount of dis-harmony referred to in the SS and elsewhere at the pre-meetings then I'm certain it won't be an easy, smooth meeting with 100% agreement.

Thanks for your very clear factual post.

[TB1]

as a very minimum there should be the same meeting rules for matches in all divisions.. make the job of refs a lot easier, not too much to ask is it?

 

More optimistically, in order to get a license to run all promoters should be required to sign up to a mission statement that says they will always consider the sport in the Uk as a whole as a priority and also to treat supporters fairly at all times rather than take them for granted. Any found to be in clear breach for whatever reason should be fined and if repetaed have their license revoked. Further that all official fixtures MUST be completed.

At this AGM any prospective Leicester or Stoke promoters should be made to ride at least 3 official home matches every month from 1st April to end of 31st August without fail, since they have shown themselves unable to manage left to their own devices.

In the case of repeat offenders Stoke they should be paying up front a bond that is only returned once all league fixtures are complete.

 

Until this sport is run and governed professionally there is no hope. Surely any sport that professes to be professional should expect some minimum commitments shouldn't they? makes my blood boil

Does that include promoters who spit out their dummies and call a meeting off a few hours before the start because they don't like the opposition line up😀

[The White Knight]

AGM Agenda

 

1. Apologies

2. Minutes of last meeting

3. Assessed averages for foreign deckchairs

4. Relocating of deckchairs

5. Allocation of lifeboats

6. Abandon ship

Made me laugh anyway. :rofl:

[Triple.H.]

The only thing that you can be certain of is that they will change the Rules - - - AGAIN!!!

 

On the other hand - they might do something sensible and get rid of Double P{oints. :approve:

Triple points

If your 3rd heat leader or a 2nd string takes the ride and finishes 3rd with his team mate winning the team get triple points for the admirable display of team riding.

[bigcatdiary]

as a very minimum there should be the same meeting rules for matches in all divisions.. make the job of refs a lot easier, not too much to ask is it?

 

I rather think that's already been discussed, whether or not it's agreed is anyone's guess.

 

I would have thought it was basic common sense but speedway regulations don't have a habit of including common sense from my experience.

[SteveLyric2]

as a very minimum there should be the same meeting rules for matches in all divisions.. make the job of refs a lot easier, not too much to ask is it?

 

More optimistically, in order to get a license to run all promoters should be required to sign up to a mission statement that says they will always consider the sport in the Uk as a whole as a priority and also to treat supporters fairly at all times rather than take them for granted. Any found to be in clear breach for whatever reason should be fined and if repetaed have their license revoked. Further that all official fixtures MUST be completed.

At this AGM any prospective Leicester or Stoke promoters should be made to ride at least 3 official home matches every month from 1st April to end of 31st August without fail, since they have shown themselves unable to manage left to their own devices.

In the case of repeat offenders Stoke they should be paying up front a bond that is only returned once all league fixtures are complete.

 

Until this sport is run and governed professionally there is no hope. Surely any sport that professes to be professional should expect some minimum commitments shouldn't they? makes my blood boil

How does revoking a promoter's licence treat supporters fairly exactly?

[Mike.Butler]

at the moment there is no obvious penalty for 'bringing the sport into disrepute' which IMV is exactly what the poor promoters do.. Any better ideas to ensure only fit and proper people safeguard our sports future?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

The agm should be about 1 thing ,not enough people coming to watch = ideas to address this issue . Changing the format and rules isn't going to bring a single person through the gate , I firmly believe the starting point is price , you won't tempt anybody if you overprice your product , yes I've heard all the "we can't do this cause this costs this" etc , we'll change the pay structure of the sport then , painfull short term gain long term or stay as we are bury our heads and everyone can not get paid , if rumours are true £200,000 is owed to riders, suppliers and track owners and still we carry on like all is well

[greyhoundp]

The agm should be about 1 thing ,not enough people coming to watch = ideas to address this issue . Changing the format and rules isn't going to bring a single person through the gate , I firmly believe the starting point is price , you won't tempt anybody if you overprice your product , yes I've heard all the "we can't do this cause this costs this" etc , we'll change the pay structure of the sport then , painfull short term gain long term or stay as we are bury our heads and everyone can not get paid , if rumours are true £200,000 is owed to riders, suppliers and track owners and still we carry on like all is well

 

Yes we all agree Deanno, but there are always Promoters willing to buy success, and therein lies the problem, but maybe the answer lies in a fixed admission price for every Team, example EL meetings to charge no more than £14 all SKY meetings £10, PL meetings £12 Sky meetings Tenner, NL is the difficult one, but i firmly believe £10 is a fair price, and every NL Team to get £1000 per year out of the SKY monies.. if promoters wont do it then they deserve everything that they get. This would make it difficult to pay riders over the odds, unless they have deep pockets.

Edited October 24, 2016 by greyhoundp

[mikebv]

The agm should be about 1 thing ,not enough people coming to watch = ideas to address this issue . Changing the format and rules isn't going to bring a single person through the gate , I firmly believe the starting point is price , you won't tempt anybody if you overprice your product , yes I've heard all the "we can't do this cause this costs this" etc , we'll change the pay structure of the sport then , painfull short term gain long term or stay as we are bury our heads and everyone can not get paid , if rumours are true £200,000 is owed to riders, suppliers and track owners and still we carry on like all is well

Spot on...

 

The only things that should be discussed is how collectively each league can put together teams of similar strengths within the framework of a viable cost base, and work a plan so each track can race its meetings on the nights (or days) that all scheduled riders are available and it can generate its highest possible income stream...

 

Team strengths and team member numbers to be determined by simple economics...

[Triple.H.]

I was reading an approx 6 week old issue of the Speedway Star at work today.

I can't remember the guys name but he's commercial manager or similar at Sale rugby and had an article about him in the Star last year.

The article this year was about him saying it was wrong for Poole to bring Antonio Lindback in for the playoffs.

Right at the end it was mentioned that in his interview last season he'd said if any Speedway promotions wanted his advice in helping to increase attendances if he could help he would. 2 teams approached him the IOW was one but the other the other team wasn't mentioned.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Triple.H.

[foamfence]

at the moment there is no obvious penalty for 'bringing the sport into disrepute' which IMV is exactly what the poor promoters do.. Any better ideas to ensure only fit and proper people safeguard our sports future?

The sport is hardly in a position to further alienate any promoters. That would be akin to cutting your own heart out because you don't like the beat.

[g13webb]

The agm should be about 1 thing ,not enough people coming to watch = ideas to address this issue . Changing the format and rules isn't going to bring a single person through the gate , I firmly believe the starting point is price , you won't tempt anybody if you overprice your product , yes I've heard all the "we can't do this cause this costs this" etc , we'll change the pay structure of the sport then , painfull short term gain long term or stay as we are bury our heads and everyone can not get paid , if rumours are true £200,000 is owed to riders, suppliers and track owners and still we carry on like all is well

 

Whilst I agree with what you say about the format and rules attracting new supporters surely, first and foremost we need to keep the existing fans the sport has managed to retain and that is why they need to be addressed and simplified. If we cant make the rules and format appealing to seasoned fans, we don't stand any chance of retaining new support IF we managed to attract any.......

 

Regards to cost, too much importance has been placed on riders expenses and gate costs have increased to accommodate them in preference to the affordability. The entrance fee should be fixed at an affordable figure (say £10) and all tracks charge the same. If the numbers don't cover the expenses, then Sponsors have to be found to balance the books. Probably this way the Promoters will promote the sport better than it is doing at present.... I am I no doubt the cost keep attendances down. Not many families can finance a trip out like they once could ....

 

 

N.B. Do hope I have not made too many spelling errors. It seems some people find that more important than the comment itself........

[Skid Sprocket]

Although this topic is Speedway AGM and it is understandable that posters are discussing what the team promoters should or should not do it is easily forgotten that we, the supporters, are the best promoters of the sport. I am sure the biggest problem with gate numbers and therefore finances is the fact that the vast majority of the Great British public are not aware that the sport exists. Very few newspapers, tv and radio stations give any space at all.

 

What are we doing as supporters to promote the sport? I'm not a fan of Facebook and Twitter etc but Is there anyone bringing the subject up on the Facebook and Twitter pages of local and national media? That's where we want the discussions taking place as well as on these forums.

 

To paraphrase what J.F. Kennedy once said "Think not what my "club" can do for me but think what I can do for my "club""

[Little Thumper]

Although this topic is Speedway AGM and it is understandable that posters are discussing what the team promoters should or should not do it is easily forgotten that we, the supporters, are the best promoters of the sport. I am sure the biggest problem with gate numbers and therefore finances is the fact that the vast majority of the Great British public are not aware that the sport exists. Very few newspapers, tv and radio stations give any space at all.

 

What are we doing as supporters to promote the sport? I'm not a fan of Facebook and Twitter etc but Is there anyone bringing the subject up on the Facebook and Twitter pages of local and national media? That's where we want the discussions taking place as well as on these forums.

 

To paraphrase what J.F. Kennedy once said "Think not what my "club" can do for me but think what I can do for my "club""

 

Skid, my friend, indeed we could all do more to promote the sport.

 

But as many contributors far wiser than myself have remarked, you can't promote something which has rendered itself unpromotable and brought itself into disrepute.

 

The powers that be must bring about a fundamental change to the sport or British speedway will be extinct within 5 years.

Tinkering about round the edges just won't cut it, I'm afraid.

 

And to once again quote Alan Bennett, "You can't polish a turd".

 

Just my opinion, obviously.