CookieIpswich Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Any idea what points money riders are on? Like a no.1 2nd string and reserve would be interesting to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 It's not that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I know everyone is different of course and there are added bonuses and this and that involved but just a rough idea lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I know everyone is different of course and there are added bonuses and this and that involved but just a rough idea lol  As has been mentioned its not that simple, all riders will negotiate there own contracts with a club, where a club provides bikes, vans, mechanics, accommodation etc the rider could accept less money than a rider who provides all that for himself, then there`s a situation where a rider could be on good points money but only some will come from the club the rest being made of from sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Any idea what points money riders are on? Like a no.1 2nd string and reserve would be interesting to knowToo much IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Why is it we know what the best player for man utd gets but not what a Speedway team best riders gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 But if you want a really rough figure, between 40 and 120? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Too much IMO .How is it too much? For the job they do it's not enough, that's why riders double up and ride abroad, just to make a living, if they got 'too much' they'd just stick to the one league, it's not football money.I know what certain riders are on from being in the pits and riders talking about it but I'm not gonna put it on here, it's between the rider and the club, not for every fan to know, would you tell random strangers how much you earn? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Why is it we know what the best player for man utd gets but not what a Speedway team best riders gets Because that's in the news and papers but speedway isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I dont think riders are paid too much, they deserve more even PL reserves deserve more but unfortunately there is not alot of money coming into the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Until they change it into a full on sport, there won't ever be any money coming into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 How is it too much? For the job they do it's not enough, that's why riders double up and ride abroad, just to make a living, if they got 'too much' they'd just stick to the one league, it's not football money.I know what certain riders are on from being in the pits and riders talking about it but I'm not gonna put it on here, it's between the rider and the club, not for every fan to know, would you tell random strangers how much you earn?Too much in the context of the money coming into the sport,that's how so many clubs are in financial difficulty and are only surviving on the generosity of the fans.As I have said before the riders are digging there own grave.Its a sport if you can make enough money at it you should pack it in.Promoters are their own worst enemy in some cases.Many tell you about their losses but whose money are they losing in some cases,is it mainly Sponsership money?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yeah but not enough money compared to their expenditure, they have bills to pay, mechanics to pay, they have to pay insurance per heat, vans to pay for, tyres every meeting which is like £35 a meeting, bikes to pay for, replace parts which are not cheap trust me, if they didn't get the money they did they wouldn't be in the sport at all and then what will happen to speedway? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yeah but not enough money compared to their expenditure, they have bills to pay, mechanics to pay, they have to pay insurance per heat, vans to pay for, tyres every meeting which is like £35 a meeting, bikes to pay for, replace parts which are not cheap trust me, if they didn't get the money they did they wouldn't be in the sport at all and then what will happen to speedway?Full time speedway riders.Maybe Part time would be the answer for them!nobody is forcing them to be a speedway rider.Speedway is in a mess,pure and simple. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff 100 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 what ever they get is never enough for the risks they take to entertain us,only people who get anything out of our sport are stadium owners and tuners . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Any idea what points money riders are on? Like a no.1 2nd string and reserve would be interesting to know Reserves from NL generally can expect to get £40 per point, with very little in terms of add ons at many clubs (ie, methanol, tyre, insurance, etc paid for by the club) unless the rider rides for Glasgow. Top reserve is normally £50-55 with expected add ons. Second strings are usually a bit on top of that, but will sometimes depend on the team structure. A rider may accept a little less than normal if it is likely they will get a run at reserve. Heat leaders can range a lot - they tried to limit it to £55 p/point a few seasons back but that just resulted in some 'alternative' payments. Heat leaders are high end double figures, triple figures in some cases.  As mentioned earlier, there are a lot of other things to consider, ie other payments, which often include additional travel money if the rider is based a long way from their home track.  All figures are nett, so need to add 20% VAT if a rider is VAT registered too. Edited October 12, 2016 by MrMungo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Mungo is that NL pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Mungo is that NL pay? PL pay. I meant reserves coming up from NL, ie 3 point reserves. Sorry for the confusion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yeah but not enough money compared to their expenditure, they have bills to pay, mechanics to pay, they have to pay insurance per heat, vans to pay for, tyres every meeting which is like £35 a meeting, bikes to pay for, replace parts which are not cheap trust me, if they didn't get the money they did they wouldn't be in the sport at all and then what will happen to speedway? They know the costs of the sport and the potential risks. Sport, and business in general, revolves around supply and demand. That's why get footballers are paid handsomely, because fans go to games, buy merchandise, subscribe to sports channels etc. and that is just scratching the surface. Anyone apart from the top, top stars in speedway is deluded if they think it is a good way to earn a living, they do it because they love racing a speedway bike ultimately. That goes for the entertainment aspect too, people don't get into the sport to be entertainers, they do it because they want to do it.  Whether you're Greg Hancock in a GP or someone racing in an amateur meeting at Scunthorpe you face exactly the same risks every time you come up to the tapes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 They know the costs of the sport and the potential risks. Sport, and business in general, revolves around supply and demand. That's why get footballers are paid handsomely, because fans go to games, buy merchandise, subscribe to sports channels etc. and that is just scratching the surface. Anyone apart from the top, top stars in speedway is deluded if they think it is a good way to earn a living, they do it because they love racing a speedway bike ultimately. That goes for the entertainment aspect too, people don't get into the sport to be entertainers, they do it because they want to do it. Â Whether you're Greg Hancock in a GP or someone racing in an amateur meeting at Scunthorpe you face exactly the same risks every time you come up to the tapes. They need to make a living from it because during the season it's hard to find time to hold down a full time job while taking time off to travel to meetings, do the meetings and then there is the bike washes/bike prep after, some national league riders have jobs and then have to miss meetings due to work commitments then they get guests in for them, but then you get fans complaining about teams using guests, you can't please everybody, people don't realise how busy it is for riders/mechanics during the season, it's not like a spectator where they just turn up at home meetings every week or the odd away meeting now and then. Riders work during the winter to set up for the next season then when the season starts, most riders quit the job and rely on speedway to make it through the speedway season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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