mickthemuppet Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 One consistent race night is the biggest factor in my mind. We could even have more fixtures if we were able to designate one night of the week for EL action. How can you have more fixtures if you had a set night. You can only have one home match a fortnight so over a six month period that would be 13 home matches only . Where would you fit the extra fixtures in. You would only get 26 home fixtures if you raced all the year round. Is this what you are advocating? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 So how do you account for the last ten years? Don't entertain him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Don't entertain him. Or indeed, confuse him.... Edited October 11, 2016 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Not convinced it's too many meetings..the fixture list is hardly overloaded really...the size and preparation of some tracks might put some Europeans off maybe.. But...the main reason is money...end of !!....if the money was greater than Poland and the best paid league then riders would definitely ride here..without doubt , regardless of race nights and the number of meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Work ONE day a week and earn more than double what you would earn for doing exactly the same job THREE days a week? Mmmmmm? Difficult one...🙄 Edited October 12, 2016 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Is it more difficult for riders to get the right bike set-up on our peculiar, variable little British tracks, than it is in Poland? Less pay and harder work?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Soooooo isn't it great that a few of them bother Edited October 11, 2016 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Nicki Pedersen alluded to one of the main issues a couple of months back during his UK talk in. He said a fixed race night wouldn't necessarily bring him or any of the other top boys back here. To do mainland Europe you can set yourself up with a van and a couple of mechanics. You need an entirely separate set up for the UK, and the cost of doing so is quite vast before you even think about how much you're going to earn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Nicki Pedersen alluded to one of the main issues a couple of months back during his UK talk in. He said a fixed race night wouldn't necessarily bring him or any of the other top boys back here. To do mainland Europe you can set yourself up with a van and a couple of mechanics. You need an entirely separate set up for the UK, and the cost of doing so is quite vast before you even think about how much you're going to earn. But the guys who live here or who are looked after (AJ and Zagar) make the effort so thanks to them eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Is it more difficult for riders to get the right bike set-up on our peculiar, variable little British tracks, than it is in Poland? Less pay and harder work?? Woffinden said "in Poland, you can use a new tyre for "EVERY" race, making set ups so much easier... That would be another added cost for Promoters in the UK EL... Don't also forget, that the Premier League voted to scrap "New Tyres" completely in their League, because PL promoters couldn't afford to provide ""New Tyres"!!! So the PL is obviously in really good health! Not! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Simple answer is they don't need to race here those days are long gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Simple answer is they don't need to race here those days are long gone That's true, but never say 'never.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Simple answer is they don't need to race here those days are long gone I second your comment Haza. Britain's domination of speedway ended some years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 How can you have more fixtures if you had a set night. You can only have one home match a fortnight so over a six month period that would be 13 home matches only . Where would you fit the extra fixtures in. You would only get 26 home fixtures if you raced all the year round. Is this what you are advocating? The point you well make appears to be the one factor which seems to be consistently ignored, and it shouldn't be. If the crowds were large enough to enable the promoters to run once a week then fine but currently they are not sufficient so therefore clubs need to run as much as possible on a weekly basis. The answer lies in running the Elite League over two adjacent nights thereby ensuring riders are not traveling to and from the UK. some tracks may find it difficult to accommodate a night if the stadium is required for other events such as greyhounds and clearly that would need addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 we should take the Polish approach.. You can ride in one other league other than the UK in any season. That would stop the top boys doing a just a few meetings at the start and end of our season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 But that is not the Polish approach. Its that riders in Polish Ekstraliga can only ride in their 'domestic'* league plus one other!! (* For Aussies, 'domestic' would mean the British EL if they are domiciled here during the season) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 That's exactly my point. If an EL is expanded to say 11/12 teams to give a few more meetings then why shouldn't our promoters call their bluff and say it's the EL (all meetings) + 1 other.. This dipping in and out at their convenience is unsatisfactory particularly as it distorts the EL and its integrity, ie Messrs Woffinden and Lindback joinin for play-offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Such an increase in the number of EL teams is likely to preclude most GP riders from any involvement - partly because they don't want more fixtures unless there is a squad system, but also those teams stepping up are likely to retain their preferred racenight - Thurs/Fris and weekends!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) we should take the Polish approach.. You can ride in one other league other than the UK in any season. That would stop the top boys doing a just a few meetings at the start and end of our season.Surely it's best to get the top riders here of we can? And uk doesn't pay enough to get riders to give up other leagues. Essentially you are saying you font want any danes or gp quality riders racing on the uk. Is that really what you want? Riders like Lindgren, zagar, holder who have ridden here regularly for seasons would be precluded from racing here.If u want to stop "ringers" from riding only at the business end of the season, there are less drastic measures that can be taken, the simplest being that any redeclaration must syill be within the points limit and ensuring fsir and transpatent averages for all ridrrs. This allows struggling teams to strengthen, but top teams cannot swap an out of form hl for a better rider without weakening their side. Edited October 20, 2016 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) It's astonishing that people actually attribute the lack of top riders to race nights, far less being able to use more tyres. During the days of the British League, and even the early days of the British Elite League, virtually all of the top riders rode in Britain. There were more race nights and far more fixtures than now, yet riders mostly managed to turn up. Many riders also managed to do the Swedish leagues, Danish leagues and later Polish leagues when the Iron Curtain fell, and even make some time for some longtracking in Germany on a Sunday. If there was decent money to be made Britain, the riders would miraculously become less tired. Just as they became less tired when the Russian League was throwing money around for a while. They get four months off in the winter to recover anyway. Edited October 20, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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