Time To Stand Up To The Polish Clubs ?

[A ORLOV]

Nothing like stating the obvious, is there?

Some on here need it stated

[KIRKYLANE]

The PZM can make their own rules re those riders riding with a PZM license.

 

I do not believe they can insist on other riders only riding in 2 countries.... Other than threatening to release them from their polish contract.

 

Take N K iversen ..lives in Britain and can only ride in Poland and Denmark if he abides by the Polish threat

 

It is not likely but a Polish rider could technically ride on a British license but would probably be then banned from riding in Poland.

 

Simon Wigg rode on a Dutch license for a few years !!

[Trees]

Here's the latest on the Poles dictating to the World if league speedway. If they go ahead with this, knowing how it will hit British speedway, I would hope that British fans will boycott Polish speedway of every sort in 2017?

 

http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/636973/jest-decyzja-w-sprawie-ograniczenia-liczby-lig-dla-zawodnikow

[Perton Wolf]

Here's the latest on the Poles dictating to the World if league speedway. If they go ahead with this, knowing how it will hit British speedway, I would hope that British fans will boycott Polish speedway of every sort in 2017?

 

http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/636973/jest-decyzja-w-sprawie-ograniczenia-liczby-lig-dla-zawodnikow

I thought it was only the Polish league and one other league that riders could ride in.

 

That article seems to suggest 3 league - your national one, Polish top league and another foreign league.

 

Can't see the Danes being too pleased with that though.

[SCB]

And you have the give the Polish league priority. We need to get together with every other league and agree not to sign any rider signed to a Polish club.

[Little Thumper]

Here's the latest on the Poles dictating to the World if league speedway. If they go ahead with this, knowing how it will hit British speedway, I would hope that British fans will boycott Polish speedway of every sort in 2017?

 

http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/636973/jest-decyzja-w-sprawie-ograniczenia-liczby-lig-dla-zawodnikow

 

I already do.

British and Commonwealth riders rule, OK.

[INCOGNITO]

Good point there is now way Falubaz will dump Doyley so it will be interesting how this pans out

Will be more interesting to see if they tell him he has no rides unless he drops one of the other leagues

 

All Polish tracks appear to be standing together on this and like it or not, they tell the riders what to do unlike here where riders dictate.

 

 

There is a bit of a concession being put forward by the Polish clubs, allowing a rider to ride in two leagues alongside his national league which would mean Polish riders can ride in two other leagues and it helps riders like Iversen, Pedersen, Kildemand etc from Denmark who can still do Sweden and Poland alongside Danish meetings which they would be expected to do by their body.

 

Where that leaves Australian or Slovenian riders like Doyle, Zagar, Masters etc who don't really have a league to ride in, then maybe they will ride on a British ACU licence to make Britain their national choice or a PZM licence to make Poland their home choice ?

 

 

 

2 years ago i read on hear that a top(ish) rider was earning around 30k a week.For 4 leagues.So take off around 2-3k for UK.Says it all..

All contracts are different but Sweden are roughly double what Britain pays and Poland double what Sweden pays and a top rider in Britain can look at three to four grand a night here but the 30k figure you may have heard about also includes the GPs or SEC so a rider can get about one million pounds a season and depending on what sponsors pay for, you have to think of team costs in wages, parts, transportation etc.

 

If they get most of it covered which some have had that luxury then the money is good but it's reaching that level and staying there means they almost certainly deserve it so fair play to those that make the money now while they can. And hopefully get out of the sport in one piece at the end of it.

[Bald Bloke]

Good luck if they do.That rider now,isn't earning that I'm sure

Edited October 12, 2016 by Bald Bloke

[HenryW]

There is a bit of a concession being put forward by the Polish clubs, allowing a rider to ride in two leagues alongside his national league which would mean Polish riders can ride in two other leagues and it helps riders like Iversen, Pedersen, Kildemand etc from Denmark who can still do Sweden and Poland alongside Danish meetings which they would be expected to do by their body.

 

Where that leaves Australian or Slovenian riders like Doyle, Zagar, Masters etc who don't really have a league to ride in, then maybe they will ride on a British ACU licence to make Britain their national choice or a PZM licence to make Poland their home choice ?

If I am reading the previously linked article correctly it seems to suggest that riders without a home league can race in two other leagues as well as the Polish Extraliga.

 

The difference is that they must give priority to the Polish Extraliga and the other two leagues must provide written confirmation that this is the case.

 

Riders with a home league can give priority to that league with the Extraliga 2nd priority and their 3rd league at the bottom of the priority list.

 

Obviously online translations are never 100% accurate so that might not be correct. I also didn't see anything suggesting whether a rider could do 2 other leagues if they choose not to race in their home league.

[Steve Shovlar]

It us ridiculous that the season is over yet the agm us still not until next month. This needs to be brought forward to August or September, so teams can be buult and riders can deal with promotions for yhd following season.

 

Poland have stolen a huge march, will have riders signed up and when if comes to doing a deal riders will not be able to commit as they have signed the Polish contract.

 

The bspa together with Sweden and Poland have to get togethr and work as one against Polands forced demands. Simple as that.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

[phillipsr]

It us ridiculous that the season is over yet the agm us still not until next month. This needs to be brought forward to August or September, so teams can be buult and riders can deal with promotions for yhd following season.

 

Poland have stolen a huge march, will have riders signed up and when if comes to doing a deal riders will not be able to commit as they have signed the Polish contract.

 

The bspa together with Sweden and Poland have to get togethr and work as one against Polands forced demands. Simple as that.

Its not easy to negotiate with them when you have nothing to offer though

[Steve Shovlar]

Its not easy to negotiate with them when you have nothing to offer though

Riders could have been signed for next season before the Poles tried to force this through. They then would not have been able to do this.

[waiheke1]

Riders could have been signed for next season before the Poles tried to force this through. They then would not have been able to do this.

How would it have stopped the Poles?

[Vincent Blachshadow]

It us ridiculous that the season is over yet the agm us still not until next month. This needs to be brought forward to August or September, so teams can be buult and riders can deal with promotions for yhd following season.

 

Poland have stolen a huge march, will have riders signed up and when if comes to doing a deal riders will not be able to commit as they have signed the Polish contract.

 

The bspa together with Sweden and Poland have to get togethr and work as one against Polands forced demands. Simple as that.

 

The season is NOT over, it has another 18 days to run and a quick look at the BSPA site will show you there are several fixtures left. The 'get the play-offs in before Sky start showing more football' abbreviated elite league might have finished (bar one match) but the season does not finish until October 31st.

 

However, I do agree that t & c for next season should be in place before now to allow the promoters to start getting teams sorted.

[NickRushbrook]

I can't help but think in some ways, this might be beneficial to UK speedway in the long run.

 

The arrogance and ignorance of the Polish is off the scale but it's true that their resources completely outweigh our own.

 

I've always felt that in some cases, the top riders almost feel like they are doing us a favour by simply turning up.

 

I'd hate to see the more committed ones like AJ and Jason Doyle leave but it's time to gut British Speedway to the core and build it back up with British riders, good racing and value for money in a well organised league structure.

Stop papering over the cracks in this crumbling product by signing moody 'world class' riders and make our own.

 

Stick two fingers up at the Polish League and wait for them to slip up....and they will in the fullness of time.

 

We will then have a great sustainable product and will be able to call the shots.

[DWP]

If I understand this correctly. A Dane who rides in Extraliga in Poland can also ride Sweden and his home nation Denmark. Or like many Danish riders who live in UK, would they be able to do Poland, Sweden and UK. Not good for Danish speedway. This comes down to what you call their home nation. Nation of birth or nation where domicile for tax purposes ? I don't know the answer.

 

BUT THE BIG QUESTION - Australians. Again as I understand it. Many(most) to ride in Europe are resident in the UK and are allowed to stay here on a UK work visa. I believe then, that they have to ride for a UK Club. So should they decide to ride Poland and Sweden, what is their National league ? UK ? As it can't be Australia. If it is not the UK and they do not ridehere, but are here in UK on a work visa. Will their visa be revoked.

 

I see C.Holder has today said he has no plans to leave Poole. Doyle I understand has a 2 year contract with Swindon. If both these riders therefore do Elite league, so they can do Europe on their visa, then the Elite league cannot be watered down with no SGP riders, as has been rumoured. If this is the case then each Elite league team will have to make every effort to get a real no.1 as without one, a team is considerably weakened. If the UK does not count as their home nation (Australia can't be counted as it) then to comply with their UK visa they will have to do UK and either drop Poland or Sweden. If they drop Poland they could do UK, Sweden and Denmark. As they cannot do Poland, UK and Sweden under this Polish proposal. Kurwa!!

 

I don't know the answers to this dilemma. But if my thoughts are correct the Aussies are F*^ked or and the Poles shoot themselves in the foot.

[Fromafar]

I can't help but think in some ways, this might be beneficial to UK speedway in the long run.

The arrogance and ignorance of the Polish is off the scale but it's true that their resources completely outweigh our own.

I've always felt that in some cases, the top riders almost feel like they are doing us a favour by simply turning up.

I'd hate to see the more committed ones like AJ and Jason Doyle leave but it's time to gut British Speedway to the core and build it back up with British riders, good racing and value for money in a well organised league structure.

Stop papering over the cracks in this crumbling product by signing moody 'world class' riders and make our own.

Stick two fingers up at the Polish League and wait for them to slip up....and they will in the fullness of time.

We will then have a great sustainable product and will be able to call the shots.

Totaly agree,get back to basic ,speedway in GB is at rock bottom on structure.IMO

[DWP]

I can't help but think in some ways, this might be beneficial to UK speedway in the long run.

The arrogance and ignorance of the Polish is off the scale but it's true that their resources completely outweigh our own.

I've always felt that in some cases, the top riders almost feel like they are doing us a favour by simply turning up.

I'd hate to see the more committed ones like AJ and Jason Doyle leave but it's time to gut British Speedway to the core and build it back up with British riders, good racing and value for money in a well organised league structure.

Stop papering over the cracks in this crumbling product by signing moody 'world class' riders and make our own.

Stick two fingers up at the Polish League and wait for them to slip up....and they will in the fullness of time.

We will then have a great sustainable product and will be able to call the shots.[/quot

 

I agree with most that you write. However, Polish speedway resources outweigh our own - Polish speedway is bankrupt. On the surface it looks good, but from my experience most clubs are on the brink of collapsing.

I don't think this new Polish proposal will happen and here is my reason why.

I'm Nikki Woffy Hanholder I ride in Uk, Poland, Denmark and Sweden. Last year I earnt £60000 with my Uk team, I earnt £40000 with my Danish team. Now I can't ride in Uk or Denmark, therefore in 2017 I'm down £100000. Ok Mr Gorzow, Torun, ZGora etc. I will agree only to do Poland and Sweden, but you need to pay me the £100000 I'm loosing in earnings elsewhere.

Oh sorry Nikki Woffy Hanholder we can't afford that - we are nearly bankrupt paying all you Stars what we sometimes get round to paying you now. Mr Hanholder reply - well then I will still be riding in UK and Denmark. If you find the extra £100000 call me.

That's my bet on what will happen. We will see !!

[iris123]

I'm Nikki Woffy Hanholder I ride in Uk, Poland, Denmark and Sweden. Last year I earnt £60000 with my Uk team, I earnt £40000 with my Danish team. Now I can't ride in Uk or Denmark, therefore in 2017 I'm down £100000. Ok Mr Gorzow, Torun, ZGora etc. I will agree only to do Poland and Sweden, but you need to pay me the £100000 I'm loosing in earnings elsewhere.

 

But he can ride in 3 leagues,so if we take your sum he will be down 40000 if he doesn't ride in Denmark.He either decides to be 40000 down or 100000 down if he doesn't sign his polish contract.Which one do you think he will choose?

[Perton Wolf]

Looks like some riders may not even understand the new rule themselves as Woffinden was quoted saying last night that it's not possible for him to ride in the UK at all next season, due to this new rule.

 

Now, I think we all know he doesn't really want to ride in the UK anyway but the reason he gives shows a misunderstanding of the rule which other riders may also have. Hopefully somebody can explain it to them.......

 

Looks like Britain won't be too badly hurt by this after all, assuming that the Aussies can sort themselves out with a British license. The leagues below us will certainly suffer a lot more though ( Germany, Czech Republic maybe? )