PHILIPRISING Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 You are not the only one biting their lip. I could explode with rage at the future carnage and devastation this country will face in the next few years, because of one of the main viewpoints of keeping the migrants from the EU out of the UK. And the farcical thing is, we cant. Our main trading partners are the EU and they have us over a barrel. We are all going to suffer badly. Still as you say, we can discuss such disasters on the general chat section. DO you honestly think the Germans won't want to sell their cars and washing machines, etc in the UK? It's not a one-way street, they get more from us than the other way round. Loads of countries outside the EU desperate to do trade with us. Roll on Brexit ... but back to the speedway. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 The days of having a cheap holiday in England are long gone people will still go abroad unless you prefer Weston Super Mare. I only go to Norfolk...it's Norfolk "n" good!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I only go to Norfolk...it's Norfolk "n" good!. But after brexit will you need a visa to go there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) DO you honestly think the Germans won't want to sell their cars and washing machines, etc in the UK? It's not a one-way street, they get more from us than the other way round. Loads of countries outside the EU desperate to do trade with us. Roll on Brexit ... but back to the speedway. Like it was mentioned yesterday on one website,do you think a country like Brazil will do a deal that allows expensive British goods like cars into the country without wanting to export cheap beef etc into the UK,therefore putting pressure on farmers?It won't be a one -way street at all,like you say But most of this stuff is way off topic and the fall in the pound could cause real problems next season,rather than what might happen in a few years time....Arnie has already pointed out it caused real problems before,albeit on a small scale.The league are far more reliant on foreign riders now than they were back in 1976 Edited October 9, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Like it was mentioned yesterday on one website,do you think a country like Brazil will do a deal that allows expensive British goods like cars into the country without wanting to export cheap beef etc into the UK,therefore putting pressure on farmers?It won't be a one -way street at all,like you say But most of this stuff is way off topic and the fall in the pound could cause real problems next season,rather than what might happen in a few years time....Arnie has already pointed out it caused real problems before,albeit on a small scale.The league are far more reliant on foreign riders now than they were back in 1976 If the powers that be expand the training schemes etc we can concentrate on British riders and only those from abroad that want to ride here. I am not too worried if riders from europe decide not to ride here. If like many of the Australians who base themselves in the UK any earnings from abroad while the £ is low will be a bonus. Anyway by next March the exchange rate will have changed and may be back up, it just needs one of the many factors that determine the value of the £ to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Anyway by next March the exchange rate will have changed and may be back up, it just needs one of the many factors that determine the value of the £ to change. What i and i think Steve are talking about is not in two years or even next March......contracts will be negotiated before March one would expect.So it is where the pound is over the short term period that will count on who and how a contract will be negotiated and what the asking price or safety net will be if the pound stays at this low level.If i am negotiating a contract i will base it on the actual reality and not on some utopian view of the future Edited October 9, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I only go to Norfolk...it's Norfolk "n" good!.Greatie Yarmouth "custom did you go there? was that once the Blackpool of Norfolk.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) What i and i think Steve are talking about is not in two years or even next March......contracts will be negotiated before March one would expect.So it is where the pound is over the short term period that will count on who and how a contract will be negotiated and what the asking price or safety net will be if the pound stays at this low level.If i am negotiating a contract i will base it on the actual reality and not on some utopian view of the future Yes this is exactly what I am talking about. Promoter. 'Same deal as last year Igor'? Igor. 'No chance boss. Pound is 20% lower than last season. I want a 30% pay rise to cover the shortfall and what is likely happen in the next few months'. Promoter. 'Bloody brexiteers'! Edited October 9, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 But after brexit will you need a visa to go there where as now you just need the right vaccinations 😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Yes this is exactly what I am talking about. Promoter. 'Same deal as last year Igor'? Igor. 'No chance boss. Pound is 20% lower than last season. I want a 30% pay rise to cover the shortfall and what is likely happen in the next few months'. Promoter. 'Bloody brexiteers'! So the answer is do not sign up any that want that sort of increase, it will weaken the league initially but it will strengthen up later. The alternative is pay their demands, put up the entry price to pay for them and watch the fan numbers drop a lot and more clubs go to the wall . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) So the answer is do not sign up any that want that sort of increase, it will weaken the league initially but it will strengthen up later. The alternative is pay their demands, put up the entry price to pay for them and watch the fan numbers drop a lot and more clubs go to the wall . The problem is, can we afford a weakened league initially?I am actually in your camp with trying to get more places for British riders and stop the reliance on foreign riders.But that takes time,whereas riders dropping out of the league can happen in a few short months.Seems there are enough tracks with problems without this addition Edited October 9, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 The problem is, can we afford a weakened league initially? It gets weaker every year anyway, so might as well operate a league that is financially viable with British riders and those that don't demand a King's ransom. Give me a Perry or Ashley Morris over a Holub everytime... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 It gets weaker every year anyway, so might as well operate a league that is financially viable with British riders and those that don't demand a King's ransom. Give me a Perry or Ashley Morris over a Holub everytime... But like anything,there is a limit to how much you can weaken something before it collapses or breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) But like anything,there is a limit to how much you can weaken something before it collapses or breaks If these foreign riders sign up to the new contracts in Poland there is the probability they will not ride here anyway. Edited October 9, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 If these foreign riders sign up to the new contracts in Poland there is the probability they will not ride here anyway. Which could end with the league being a shambles full of guests every meeting and possibly a few top riders who are far better than the rest and make more people decide to stay at home instead of travel to their nearest track.The big problem seems to be the UK leagues aren't in charge of their own destiny,but have to try and adapt to the decisions of others.Not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 You are not the only one biting their lip. I could explode with rage at the future carnage and devastation this country will face in the next few years, because of one of the main viewpoints of keeping the migrants from the EU out of the UK. And the farcical thing is, we cant. Our main trading partners are the EU and they have us over a barrel. We are all going to suffer badly. Still as you say, we can discuss such disasters on the general chat section. Ye man of no faith. We are a great country and being in the EU just suffocated our existence. In 5 yrs time we will again be strong and dictate our own rules. and every country in the world will want to deal with us...... The future looks good..... The trouble is , you being a Poole man, obviously think that all deals are done over a barrel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Which could end with the league being a shambles full of guests every meeting and possibly a few top riders who are far better than the rest and make more people decide to stay at home instead of travel to their nearest track.The big problem seems to be the UK leagues aren't in charge of their own destiny,but have to try and adapt to the decisions of others.Not good Why would the league be full of guests, if foreign riders are not signed it means probably either a lower standard of riders for a couple of years or less clubs. There are a few clubs looking dodgy at the moment so they could drop to a lower league and just use riders that want to ride here. I do agree with what you say about the UK leagues not being in charge of their own destiny but maybe this is the shake up that the bspa need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Why would the league be full of guests, if foreign riders are not signed it means probably either a lower standard of riders for a couple of years or less clubs. Because like you say,others have to be signed.Probably double up as there just aren't enough riders to go round.Then you are stretching resources to the very limit..You can't afford any clashes of fixtures or injuries, which are inevitable, as are guests........vicious circle.Unfortunately the UK just doesn't at the moment produce enough riders to supply the demand Edited October 9, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Because like you say,others have to be signed.Probably double up as there just aren't enough riders to go round.Then you are stretching resources to the very limit..You can't afford any clashes of fixtures or injuries, which are inevitable, as are guests........vicious circle.Unfortunately the UK just doesn't at the moment produce enough riders to supply the demand Agreed and unless more training is bought in it may mean that unfortunately clubs close. I understand that at the moment the bspa has a rule stating that a promoter cannot be a promoter of both an EL and PL club. If that is the case it stops a club having both which in turn has a ready supply of guests from the PL for the EL club as well as the advantage of bringing on the youngsters. If this is the case it just shows how short sighted the bspa is. Hopefully next season Swindon will have a NL team from which there might be a rider or two we can use. Edited October 9, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 You think riders are going to decide upon racing in the UK based on forever fluctuating currency? I don't think that will even be a factor in their decision making. The pound has fell in value yes but has not collapsed, if it was to do so then it may be a consideration point. It will probably be back up in a few weeks time and then go down....... Yes - because it has happened before. Bernt Persson and Bengt Jansson both abandoned their teams mid season when the pound collapsed in 1976. Not just speedway riders, it impacts on people in pretty much any profession. I was seriously considering returning to the UK to work, but the decline of the GBP against the NZD means I'd now want an extra 20k on the package to make it worth moving. Some may say that's a good thing in that it means less competition for jobs for Brits, the flipside is whether you want the most skilled people available working in Britain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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