The Voice Of Reason Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Farmers moaning about having to fill in paperwork? Not that difficult is it......in order to ponce your subsidies? To keep the new tractor in the field? To keep the '16 plate Range Rover on the drive; or within your acres of land? In order to hide behind the exploitation of immigrants/migrants - being used illegally on a pittance of a wage. Poor, hard done by farmers. My heart truly bleeds purple p!ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Can I have your address so I can post an invoice to you for the thousands of pounds I have lost due to brexit? So I am going to lose tens of thousands in the next 5-6 years to discover if I am right or not. That makes sense. I really hope brexit voters are bitten hard on the arse, as I doubt the money I am losing NOW will ever be recuperated. Ha ha ha. I'll tell you what I'll pay your losses, when you reimburse all the thousands of Peugeot workers that lost their jobs plus many more in the supply chain when the EU induced them to leave the UK, a fact admitted on local radio by Peugeot local management. We all remember you gloating when it was announced that Brandon was to be sold for housing, so the fact you are allegedly suffering financially is just an added bonus. You clearly have no concern for other people's welfare so don't be surprised if others take the same view. Some people seem to be forgetting there was back in the 1970's an EU referendum, which Remain won, I don't remember that result not being honoured. There was no talk of another vote then, well not for about 20 years. Of course there is nothing to stop you moving to your beloved EU, if you find Brexit Britain so unbearable.I hear Rome is quite popular. However I expect despite all your bluster, your love of the EU, won't quite stretch to living there. An EU still swamped with a migrant crisis, and they haven't got a clue how to solve it. Thousands now trapped in Italy as countries like Austria close their borders, Italy threatening to withhold EU payments unless other countries take more migrants,the Hungarians telling the EU they will refuse to take anymore migrants. Lithuania electing a government with a policy to try and stop emigration as so many of their people have moved westwards. emptying their country. Of course the fact there is still an ongoing Euro crisis, with the whole of southern Europe are mired in mass unemployment, an ongoing banking crisis now including Deutche Bank, was never going to be any concern for you. How long before yet another Greek bailout? Perhaps you should go into the production of dummies, I'm hearing their's a national shortage. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) I think farmers are a different situation as they receive subsidies from the EU A Orlov, we do not in manufacturing. It will be interesting when the subsidies stop as I am sure the farming industry will expect the government to give them the same level of subsidy which will beg the question, why can't manufacturing receive a similar subsidy!! I have already been in contact with my local MP over this and will be lobbying him. Exchange rate has gone against us as we invoice in sterling but all our steel and castings come from overseas and so prices has risen dramatically. Also transport costs have gone up too. Got any ideas how we can take advantage of this situation? The farmers do get advantages over manufacturing in the subsidies they receive but many of the CAP payments have been crazy and have costed the eu millions if not billions since they have been paid. When we leave we will not be paying for the subsidies that are paid to all the farmers in the rest of the eu, a hell of a lot more than we have, so our farm subsidy bill for our farmers will be lower. Only you would know if you can get your castings etc from elsewhere, preferably the UK, no doubt you have already looked into that. I am not sure what the steel industry used to produce but it is ironic that TATA are closing down the steel mills etc yet you and many more companies are importing steel and castings. Now, if it is efficient to do so, would be a good time to produce more in this country rather than having to rely on importing so many goods. If not good luck with trying to get a subsidy or some form of help, as it may mean that you can stay in business and keep people employed, apart from that see if you can diversify somehow. Plus if you want to export to the EU you'll be doing it anyway. I stated that many of the companies did not export to the eu, if any want to export to it they will have to decide if it is worth the paperwork etc. Edited October 31, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie17 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Farmers moaning about having to fill in paperwork? Not that difficult is it......in order to ponce your subsidies? To keep the new tractor in the field? To keep the '16 plate Range Rover on the drive; or within your acres of land? In order to hide behind the exploitation of immigrants/migrants - being used illegally on a pittance of a wage. Poor, hard done by farmers. My heart truly bleeds purple p!ss. It shows you know nothing about farming and knowknow no farmers. So where do you get your extensive knowledge? The Daily Mirror perhaps? Most farmers in this country are tenents , are not landowners and I can assure you that they are leaving in there droves as they cannot physically make it pay. Yeah come back with your stereo- typical, small minded comments but you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Leaving in their droves.......really? Got the evidence to support that statement? And no; I most certainly do not read Blairite-loving @rsewipe such as The Mirror. And look at this......they are now AGAIN on the EU Subsidy bandwagon and poncing even more; for actually producing LESS! http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/1800-uk-farmers-apply-for-eu-dairy-reduction-scheme.htm Edited October 31, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 It shows you know nothing about farming and knowknow no farmers. So where do you get your extensive knowledge? The Daily Mirror perhaps? Most farmers in this country are tenents , are not landowners and I can assure you that they are leaving in there droves as they cannot physically make it pay. Yeah come back with your stereo- typical, small minded comments but you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Oh come on mate, he's the voice of reason !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Can't you go to general discussion thread and leave us speedway fans alone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Oh come on mate, he's the voice of reason !! Ahhh, I see that the paperboy has finally climbed out from under his rock. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Ahhh, I see that the paperboy has finally climbed out from under his rock. Yep i sat watching this forum for a while, and some of the dross being wrote on it was laughable. When do you all go back to school ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie17 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Leaving in their droves.......really? Got the evidence to support that statement? And no; I most certainly do not read Blairite-loving @rsewipe such as The Mirror. And look at this......they are now AGAIN on the EU Subsidy bandwagon and poncing even more; for actually producing LESS! http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/1800-uk-farmers-apply-for-eu-dairy-reduction-scheme.htm VOR? Fact,one in ten dairy farms have shut in the UK in the past three years. My facts are also based on actually talking to farmers,do you? As I already said most farmers are not rich land owners but are tenants who are seriously struggling to make a living. Your small minded view of them all being rich land owning gentry is so stereo typical. I suppose you also believe that all northerners wear a flat cap, smoke woodbines and have a whippet? Or maybe the small man syndrome perhaps? A man who just seems constantly angry and demeans anybody who doesn't share his aggressive narrow minded view of the world? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 I must drive past at least 10 farms on my way to work (in Warwickshire). Pre-elections, I haven't seen ANY without a 'Vote Conservative' poster on display. Pre-Brexit, the posters and signs had changed to 'Vote Out'. Let them all 'reap what they've sown'......literally. I couldn't personally give a damn about this forever-bleating "we're so hard done by" sector of our industry if I'm honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Fact,one in ten dairy farms have shut in the UK in the past three years. My facts are also based on actually talking to farmers Whilst it's true dairy farming and some other farming sectors have gone through a rationalisation process in recent years, it's largely been down the fact there were too many smallish farms unable to benefit from economies of scale. I do know a couple of dairy farmers, and they were saying 20 years ago that you either had to buy out your neighbour or go to the wall. I suspect dairy farmers were propped up for years by having a guaranteed market, and whilst it's sad that many couldn't continue, I'm sure most didn't share the same sentiments when industrial workers were losing their jobs because the government refused to subsidise their industries. And given the apparent widespread support amongst farmers for Brexit despite benefitting from the CAP for years, I'm afraid they reap what they sow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) I must drive past at least 10 farms on my way to work (in Warwickshire). Pre-elections, I haven't seen ANY without a 'Vote Conservative' poster on display. Pre-Brexit, the posters and signs had changed to 'Vote Out'. Let them all 'reap what they've sown'......literally. I couldn't personally give a damn about this forever-bleating "we're so hard done by" sector of our industry if I'm honest. Everybody knew when, we got out of the EU there would be lean times. But leaving the EU wasn't just all about money. Getting away from that little pow wow and the clutches of Cameron and that other idiot Osbourne who were both sailing this country down the river without a paddle. But they failed in there attempt to get the vote they wanted from the British people. ah, how sad. By by Cameron and Osbourne.. s We will be better off without those two, the economy is doing ok, but it will not be a five minute job. In the meantime those that voted in are throwing there toys out the pram. Bless. Edited October 31, 2016 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOS50 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Everybody knew when, we got out of the EU there would be lean times. But leaving the EU wasn't just all about money. Getting away from that little pow wow and the clutches of Cameron and that other idiot Osbourne who were both sailing this country down the river without a paddle. But they failed in there attempt to get the vote they wanted from the British people. ah, how sad. By by Cameron and Osbourne.. s We will be better off without those two, the economy is doing ok, but it will not be a five minute job. In the meantime those that voted in are throwing there toys out the pram. Bless. Dross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Dross But correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOS50 Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 But correct. bet you can't find many educated people to back you up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 bet you can't find many educated people to back you up I wouldn't be too sure of that...... Cant believe I agreed with Starman, but they were some of the truest words he has said 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 VOR? Fact,one in ten dairy farms have shut in the UK in the past three years. My facts are also based on actually talking to farmers,do you? As I already said most farmers are not rich land owners but are tenants who are seriously struggling to make a living. Your small minded view of them all being rich land owning gentry is so stereo typical. Welcome to the world of manufacturing where in the main, companies have to compete globally to win business! What makes farmers a special case that they should receive subsidies whether it be from the EU or the British government? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) Whoops pressed wrong button Edited November 1, 2016 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) Whilst it's true dairy farming and some other farming sectors have gone through a rationalisation process in recent years, it's largely been down the fact there were too many smallish farms unable to benefit from economies of scale. I do know a couple of dairy farmers, and they were saying 20 years ago that you either had to buy out your neighbour or go to the wall. I suspect dairy farmers were propped up for years by having a guaranteed market, and whilst it's sad that many couldn't continue, I'm sure most didn't share the same sentiments when industrial workers were losing their jobs because the government refused to subsidise their industries. And given the apparent widespread support amongst farmers for Brexit despite benefitting from the CAP for years, I'm afraid they reap what they sow. We expect the ill informed politics of envy from V.O.R. but you must surely know that farming subsidies are an al most world wide phenomenon. The USA spends around $20billion. p.a on subsidies and Japan around $43 billion which is more than the whole of the EU spends including spending on inefficient French farmers. EU farming subsidies have been reduced considerably in recent years but the whole issue of subsidies is immensely complicated and not capable of easy dismantling. There is far more to the problem than blaming allegedly greedy farmers for depending on handouts. Edited November 1, 2016 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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