The Collapse Of The Pound And The Effect On The El

[Starman2006]

 

 

The vote didn't specify the manner of exit, so arguing for different options is perfectly valid. The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

But 17 + million voted out simple as that, result stands.

[E I Addio]

The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

The problem there is thst It was, in the words of the PM a straight in/out referendum, not something to find the best way to satisfy all parties. Unfortunately, the man responsible for the shambles resigned from public life straightaway and started looking for something easier and better paid away from the public eye.

 

If the public voted in the belief that it was a straifght in oout referendum I am not sure how constitutionally the politicians could backtrack on it.

[houdi]

Peter Hitchens is a socially conservative right winger, regardless of what he once was in his youth or who he writes for.

 

 

The vote didn't specify the manner of exit, so arguing for different options is perfectly valid. The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

So, the argument being put forward was that he writes for the Mail and so would be automatically for leave,when the Mail on Sunday was staunchly for remain.

No the vote said we want to leave the EU, indeed it didn't say we want to half leave or remain in parts of the EU,and both sides are on the public record that we would be leaving the single market. The trade deal we get is something that could not be put in any referendum, as we couldn't possibly know at the time,what that deal is.You don't know every single decision a government will make when you elect them. Indeed Clegg broke an election promise within days of being elected.

So what do the 16 million remain voters want ? The idea they all want the same is laughable. Does Corbyn want a Europe like Blair, or Osborne want the same as the leader of Unite. The reality is you and many people like you,simply refuse to accept the result,and continue to seek any way possible to thwart the result, fortunately many people who voted remain have accepted the result. Indeed some of the harshest critics of remoaners like you are actually people,who initially voted for remain. Parliament voted overwhelmingly for a referendum, and it was made clear that they would accept the result and implement it. The result was clear, You just appear as a sore and bitter loser. You lost and when you wake tomorrow you will have still have lost.

[Humphrey Appleby]

No the vote said we want to leave the EU, indeed it didn't say we want to half leave or remain in parts of the EU

You have no idea on which basis people voted to leave, or whether they fully understood all the implications, anymore than you're saying that assumptions can't be made about the 16 million who didn't.

 

Calling people names doesn't change the fact that the country only voted to leave the EU by a small majority, and the vote has massively divided the country as well as age groups. A number of parts of the country voted overwhelming to stay in the EU, and that's particularly concerning where those parts were already agitating for independence. This is quite apart from the 1.5 million expat Britons in the EU who are now left in total limbo with respect to their lives.

 

If you can't understand how this is an issue, whether you agree with those peoples' views or not, then it really sums up how selfish people have become in the UK. This is not like a general election where you can vote again in 5 years time and try to overturn the result.

 

And as for who's lost, lets wait and see how the UK economy does in the coming years. The Uk government is already making soundings that it's going to have to continue to pay into the EU to keep access to certain markets, which is an indication that it's now coming to terms with the harsh realities of leaving the single market.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[Steve Shovlar]

The result was clear, You just appear as a sore and bitter loser. You lost and when you wake tomorrow you will have still have lost.

And so would have the country. There are no winners. The remainers have lost, the people who voted to leave have also lost. Not in the short or medium turn, but in the long term. We are already quite heavily out of pocket. And that's before Article 50 has been invoked.

 

Every day we see prices rise. Every time I fill up I see fuel prices have risen. Food prices have risen. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head.

 

I should imagine every morning on awaking, brexit voters lie in bed thinking, "What the hell have I done"? They won't admit it publicly of course. No way. But the damage and carnage caused by these people, most without the slightest inkling at the time of how it was actually going to cost them, is now starting to bite them on the arse.

 

But of course its 'worth it', to keep these migrants from Europe out of Britain and away from British jobs.

[houdi]

You have no idea on which basis people voted to leave, or whether they fully understood all the implications, anymore than you're saying that assumptions can't be made about the 16 million who didn't.

 

Calling people names doesn't change the fact that the country only voted to leave the EU by a small majority, and the vote has massively divided the country as well as age groups. A number of parts of the country voted overwhelming to stay in the EU, and that's particularly concerning where those parts were already agitating for independence. This is quite apart from the 1.5 million expat Britons in the EU who are now left in total limbo with respect to their lives.

 

If you can't understand how this is an issue, whether you agree with those peoples' views or not, then it really sums up how selfish people have become in the UK. And as for who's lost, lets wait and see how the UK economy does in the coming years.

So speaks the voice of the morally superior arrogant elite. The poor stupid people didn't really know what they voted for, ha ha ha.

The vote to leave was the biggest vote ever, the size of the majority is irrelevant. If you win the Premiership on goal difference you still get to win it.

I believe all the regions of England voted to leave apart from London,as well as Wales. You do realise parts of Scotland were and always have been 'agitating for independence for years'. Indeed as your beloved EU made crystal clear if they had voted for independence in 2014,they would have been outside the EU. Clearly Sturgeon and indeed 45% of the population weren't that bothered about EU membership just 2 years ago.

So if Corbyn wins the next election, unlikely I know, would he have to implement parts of the Conservative manifesto just because millions of people have voted Tory and he needs to reflect their wishes.

As for the future I'm still waiting for the emergency budget , the collapse in house prices, a falling stock market, the recession et al.

[Humphrey Appleby]

So speaks the voice of the morally superior arrogant elite.

And there speaks the voice of the Brexit brigade - just resorting to calling people names who take a different perspective to them.

 

If you win the Premiership on goal difference you still get to win it.

This isn't about winning a football championship, which is pretty much forgotten about the following season when everyone starts again.

 

And you can be sure that if the Brexiteers had lost the vote by the same margin, they wouldn't have accepted the result and would have demanded another referendum.

 

As for the future I'm still waiting for the emergency budget , the collapse in house prices, a falling stock market, the recession et al.

The UK hasn't left the EU yet, although the falling pound is an indication of things to come however some want to dress it up.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[houdi]

And there speaks the voice of the Brexit brigade - just resorting to calling people names who take a different perspective to them.

 

 

This isn't about winning a football championship, which is pretty much forgotten about the following season when everyone starts again.

 

And you can be sure that if the Brexiteers had lost the vote by the same margin, they wouldn't have accepted the result and would have demanded another referendum.

 

 

The UK hasn't left the EU yet, although the falling pound is an indication of things to come however some want to dress it up.

I am perfectly happy for people to have different views, indeed if we all shared the same opinions it would be a boring world.The fact you can't seem to grasp is we had the arguments/debates months ago, we then had a vote, but you just won't accept the vote.

Indeed maybe some brexiteers may not of accepted the vote,if the vote had been the other way, we don't know that for sure , but it wouldn't have made it right though.The referendum in the 1970's was accepted by the overwhelming majority back then.I don't remember back then there being any mention of EU Parliaments,the ECJ, single currencies, EU Presidents,EU flags, EU anthems,oh no it was just about free trade.

As has been said before, the pound devalued after we left the ERM ,and the economy boomed,despite the consensus of the establishment experts, and of course the 'simple people' were told by experts that not joining the Euro would be a disaster for the UK in terms of trade , inward investment and for the City of London. And yet you still wonder why ordinary people, happily ignore the so called experts.

Edited October 21, 2016 by houdi

[Deano]

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/do-royals-make-us-richer.html?m=1

 

Clearly written by a republican.

 

I thought I was going to be bashed with convincing unbiased facts and figures.

 

I have to laugh at this one.

 

"Another factor to consider is the secretive powers the royal family have to manipulate government legislation to their own advantage"

 

No bias at all obviously...

[tellboy]

And so would have the country. There are no winners. The remainers have lost, the people who voted to leave have also lost. Not in the short or medium turn, but in the long term. We are already quite heavily out of pocket. And that's before Article 50 has been invoked.

 

Every day we see prices rise. Every time I fill up I see fuel prices have risen. Food prices have risen. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head.

 

I should imagine every morning on awaking, brexit voters lie in bed thinking, "What the hell have I done"? They won't admit it publicly of course. No way. But the damage and carnage caused by these people, most without the slightest inkling at the time of how it was actually going to cost them, is now starting to bite them on the arse.

 

But of course its 'worth it', to keep these migrants from Europe out of Britain and away from British jobs.

I thought fuel and food go up and down on a regular basis anyway.Can you remember buying fuel in 2012 it was over £1.40 a litre so it's got a little way to go yet before we are out of pocket.

[Deano]

I thought fuel and food go up and down on a regular basis anyway.Can you remember buying fuel in 2012 it was over £1.40 a litre so it's got a little way to go yet before we are out of pocket.

 

Grain and wheat as well, remember the price of bread sky rocketed a few years ago before falling back.

[Steve Shovlar]

Prices are already much higher since the vote. Want to go on holiday? Have a business trip abroad? Feel that pain.

 

If anyone actually believes the British public are going to be better off after brexit, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[PHILIPRISING]

BUT it wasn't all about the money...

[Deano]

If anyone actually believes the British public are going to be better off after brexit, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

Most didn't, but there was more to this than the money in your pocket. Going back centuries, the Scots and Irish elite sold their country down the river for cash... perhaps we are different now.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Deano

[Steve Shovlar]

BUT it wasn't all about the money...

But it is Phil. I am hundreds out of pocket already, possibly more. Guess I will know the exact figure when next year when my accounts are done but expect it run run into 4 figures easily.

 

I don't care about Britain making our own laws. Chances are we won't like some of them and the government will have no one to answer to.

 

Migrants? Nothing will change. We won't be allowed to simply because the EU will have us over a barrel because of our need for decent trade deals.

 

I don't see one single benefit of leaving the EU. The younger generation have been crapped on from a very great height by a bunch of middle aged white citizens 'who want their country back', but didn't realise the massive implications of voting out.

 

These people have just voted for up to 25% chopped off their yearly salary. Well done them.

[Deano]

 

These people have just voted for up to 25% chopped off their yearly salary. Well done them.

 

You keep harping these figures, people can only spend what they have, it just won't go as far.

[Steve Shovlar]

You keep harping these figures, people can only spend what they have, it just won't go as far.

Exactly! The brexit mob have voted for a huge reduction in their wage. Well done them.

[mickthemuppet]

But it is Phil. I am hundreds out of pocket already, possibly more. Guess I will know the exact figure when next year when my accounts are done but expect it run run into 4 figures easily.

 

I don't care about Britain making our own laws. Chances are we won't like some of them and the government will have no one to answer to.

 

Migrants? Nothing will change. We won't be allowed to simply because the EU will have us over a barrel because of our need for decent trade deals.

 

I don't see one single benefit of leaving the EU. The younger generation have been crapped on from a very great height by a bunch of middle aged white citizens 'who want their country back', but didn't realise the massive implications of voting out.

 

These people have just voted for up to 25% chopped off their yearly salary. Well done them.

A lot of my shares are up by 25% since the Brexit vote so I am well satisfied

[g13webb]

And so would have the country. There are no winners. The remainers have lost, the people who voted to leave have also lost. Not in the short or medium turn, but in the long term. We are already quite heavily out of pocket. And that's before Article 50 has been invoked.

 

Every day we see prices rise. Every time I fill up I see fuel prices have risen. Food prices have risen. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head.

 

I should imagine every morning on awaking, brexit voters lie in bed thinking, "What the hell have I done"? They won't admit it publicly of course. No way. But the damage and carnage caused by these people, most without the slightest inkling at the time of how it was actually going to cost them, is now starting to bite them on the arse.

 

But of course its 'worth it', to keep these migrants from Europe out of Britain and away from British jobs.

 

I am in no doubt you will blame every conceivable problem on the Brexit Vote. Why, if the truth be known, you even blamed Brexit for Poole not winning the Elite this year..... Prices for food and fuel fluxuate all the time and now it little different. You sit in your ivory tower and cast opinions that are solely biased.

 

I voted to leave and have no regrets. I voted with my eyes open and a clear mind. and am well aware of the procedure that lays ahead.

I wake up each morning and think many things,.......... But not one thought about that referendum vote.......... I'm more than happy..

[Steve Shovlar]

A lot of my shares are up by 25% since the Brexit vote so I am well satisfied

But the profits of any shares will be countered by the rise in prices of everything else. And only a fraction of the British public will have shares in any large amounts in Multi-national British companies to benefit. Shares in British companies which buy their components out of the UK are suffering already.