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[Nobblytriers]

 

Well perhaps the UK government can also provide incentives to Tata to keep the steelworks in Port Talbot, because according to the Brexiteers it was all the fault of the EU that Tata were going to pull out.

 

The irony of a Tory government having to subsidise private industry though...

The EU apparently subsidised Chinese steel production to the detriment of our own. Maybe that why TATA steel reduced their production here and the Brexiteers placed the blame there.

It costs us an awful lot of money to belong to the club that is the EU and I think we're better off spending our money where we see fit and forging our own path. Other nations will always be happy to trade with us. It's not for some unelected, unaccountable group of freeloaders and gravy train ticket holders to dictate what we do.

[iris123]

. Other nations will always be happy to trade with us. It's not for some unelected, unaccountable group of freeloaders and gravy train ticket holders to dictate what we do.

It is ok to say this,but one of the reasons we joined the old EEC was trade with our loyal friends in the Commonwealth fell by 50% after WW2.

[A ORLOV]

 

Well perhaps the UK government can also provide incentives to Tata to keep the steelworks in Port Talbot, because according to the Brexiteers it was all the fault of the EU that Tata were going to pull out.

 

The irony of a Tory government having to subsidise private industry though...

I may be wrong but I understood that eu rules would not allow us to subsidize Tata.

[TonyE]

It is ok to say this,but one of the reasons we joined the old EEC was trade with our loyal friends in the Commonwealth fell by 50% after WW2.

Compared to what? Before WW2?

 

The world was a very different place after the war - UK manufacturing had, naturally, been bombed by the Luftwaffe and many industries had switched their focus to the war effort. Whilst the re-adjustment/rebuilding took place after the end of the war, others stepped in to fill the shortfall.

 

Price and quality will always be the key factors in my opinion - loyalty takes a back seat nowadays.

Edited October 27, 2016 by TonyE

[Humphrey Appleby]

We will only be putting tariffs on German cars and all goods from the eu only if they put tariffs on our exports to them, the ball is in their court.

I'm glad you know what government policy will be.

 

Anyway the less we import the better and any payments to Nissan can be taken out of the £8 billion plus all the other money we will save by companies that do not sell to the eu not having to comply with the eu rules and regs, and that is a very high figure.

 

I thought the 8 billion was going to be spend on the NHS.

 

And you really think importing less won't have any impact on the UK economy?

It costs us an awful lot of money to belong to the club that is the EU

It doesn't - it's 1% of government spending. Interest payments on the national debt alone are 5 times that.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[orion]

Yea have to wonder much and what they gave to Nissan to stay ..so much for the NHS etc .

[Deano]

Yea have to wonder much and what they gave to Nissan to stay ..so much for the NHS etc .

 

The government may have called their bluff, no one knows.

[A ORLOV]

I'm glad you know what government policy will be.

 

 

I thought the 8 billion was going to be spend on the NHS.

 

And you really think importing less won't have any impact on the UK economy?

 

It doesn't - it's 1% of government spending. Interest payments on the national debt alone are 5 times that.

The govt has already stated that the likely hood is that we will match any tariffs the eu puts on our goods. We are not going to pay their tariffs without imposing them on their goods.

 

Are you another gullible person that thought all the money wasted on the eu was going to the NHS, if yes you need to read what was stated.

 

We can import less as our economy grows apart from items we do not or cannot make. Also we will be free to import whatever we want from outside the eu which may be at a cheaper price than the eu is charging.

 

I am on about how much time and money industry spends on all the eu red tape etc not the govt, why do you think so many business owners voted to leave.

Edited October 27, 2016 by A ORLOV

[YerRopes]

This cannot be right as the remoaners and a couple on here stated that companies would be leaving the UK not staying or investing for the future.

 

Companies are and will be leaving the UK, that much is known, remember that article 50 is still a long way off..

 

Good news that Nissan is remaining for the foreseeable future, but at what cost and as for the quitters claiming it as some sort of victory for Brexit is mostly very laughable..

 

"British based company to stay in the UK for now"

 

Hurrah, all is obviously hunky dory..

Edited October 27, 2016 by Yer Ropes

[A ORLOV]

 

Companies are and will be leaving the UK, that much is known, remember that article 50 is still a long way off..

 

Good news that Nissan is remaining for the foreseeable future, but at what cost and as for the quitters claiming it as some sort of victory for Brexit is mostly very laughable..

 

"British based company to stay in the UK for now"

 

Hurrah, all is obviously hunky dory..

Some may leave for the eu but when the eu starts imploding they will, like a few others, probably want to come scurrying back.

I have had a bet with a mate for many years that the eu will not last in its present form by 2020 and I still expect to win.

Edited October 27, 2016 by A ORLOV

[YerRopes]

Some may leave for the eu but when the eu starts imploding they will, like a few others, probably want to come scurrying back.

 

Regarding your last point I admire your optimism..

Edited October 27, 2016 by Yer Ropes

[The Voice Of Reason]

I am on about how much time and money industry spends on all the eu red tape

Probably not half as much time as you spend contributing to this bleedin' thread!

[A ORLOV]

Probably not half as much time as you spend contributing to this bleedin' thread!

You do not have to read it

[g13webb]

When we had this referendum vote on EU, most people, if not all, expected the vote was to stay. We were all subjected to weeks of scare mongering, everyone telling us what was right and what was wrong. A democratic vote when everyone has their say. To me this was what it was all about, when we all vote for what we wanted. There was always going to be those who voted against the majority decision, but that what a democratic vote is. You go along and accepting the majority.

 

It appears now, not only on this forum, we have plenty who don't want to accept this vote. Instead of which, are going on and on trying to undermine the voice of the people with their ideas of what they did was wrong. To me, these minority are doing nothing to help the cause, other than wallowing in their own self pity because the vote went against what they believed. Of course it's never going to be rosy from the start, which ever way the vote went. But wouldn't it be better to get on board with the preferred choice rather than whittling on about the lost opinion.

 

Like it or not we are leaving the EU. From someone who is old enough to have experience from both sides of the argument. the future doesn't have to be that good to be better than it has these past few years........ Lets give it a chance.......

[foreverblue]

And there was me thinking people only 'looked at' the Sun!

Cant believe anyone buys it now there is no page 3!!

[orion]

When we had this referendum vote on EU, most people, if not all, expected the vote was to stay. We were all subjected to weeks of scare mongering, everyone telling us what was right and what was wrong. A democratic vote when everyone has their say. To me this was what it was all about, when we all vote for what we wanted. There was always going to be those who voted against the majority decision, but that what a democratic vote is. You go along and accepting the majority.

 

It appears now, not only on this forum, we have plenty who don't want to accept this vote. Instead of which, are going on and on trying to undermine the voice of the people with their ideas of what they did was wrong. To me, these minority are doing nothing to help the cause, other than wallowing in their own self pity because the vote went against what they believed. Of course it's never going to be rosy from the start, which ever way the vote went. But wouldn't it be better to get on board with the preferred choice rather than whittling on about the lost opinion.

 

Like it or not we are leaving the EU. From someone who is old enough to have experience from both sides of the argument. the future doesn't have to be that good to be better than it has these past few years........ Lets give it a chance.......

As has been said if vote had gone the other way do you reckon the other side would have got on board ? just because the vote was to leave it does not mean it was the right thing to do or people should accept something they think is wrong . . one thing is for the sure as I said on the subject is that a public vote is a bad thing and the whole thing as shown and thats not because the vote was to leave

Edited October 27, 2016 by orion

[Steve Shovlar]

As has been said if vote had gone the other way do you reckon the other side would have got on board ? just because the vote was to leave it does not mean it was the right thing to do or people should accept something they think is wrong . . one thing is for the sure as I said on the subject is that a public vote is a bad thing and the whole thing as shown and thats not because the vote was to leave

Agree. Its not as if it was a general election where Labour have somehow managed to get in and we have to suffer them for a term.

 

The brexit vote is completely different and in my opinion will wreck the economy, with The UK suffering considerably because of the vote to leave. How the hell can brexit people say, 'Ok, lets all be happy with the decision and make the best of it'. Never going to happen. Depending where you sit the result of brexit will either hit you lightly or hard. But hit you it will.

 

How can brexit voters say to me, except it and come on board. Are they going to compensate me the thousands of pounds I am going to be out of pocket, every year? Are they going to compensate me for the hundreds of pounds I am already out of pocket since the vote?

 

The brexit vote will cost us all very dearly and I feel anger and frustration, not only for myself, but for my family and younger generation who have been sold down the swanny by a bunch of middle aged white people 'wanting their country back'.

 

A catastrophic disaster for the UK. Nothing is going to change my mind on this, but I suppose I will be able to say. 'I told you so' in a couple/three years time when we cut ourselves off from our main trading partners.

 

Realising the damage being caused I have been working hard and already changed one of my businesses to be based through The Netherlands. At least I will be paid in the Euro and can convert back to make up the shortcomings of the weaker pound.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

[g13webb]

As has been said if vote had gone the other way do you reckon the other side would have got on board ? just because the vote was to leave it does not mean it was the right thing to do or people should accept something they think is wrong . . one thing is for the sure as I said on the subject is that a public vote is a bad thing and the whole thing as shown and thats not because the vote was to leave

 

I am sure had the vote gone the other way , there wouldn't be all the adverse behaviour as we are at the moment., some obviously, there are always some who wont accept. A democracy is where we go with the majority, right or wrong. I don't agree with what you say, the public has the right to vote when it is this important. What they voted for and how they voted was to there choice. Who are you to say they were wrong.

 

 

Agree. Its not as if it was a general election where Labour have somehow managed to get in and we have to suffer them for a term.

 

The brexit vote is completely different and in my opinion will wreck the economy, with The UK suffering considerably because of the vote to leave. How the hell can brexit people say, 'Ok, lets all be happy with the decision and make the best of it'. Never going to happen. Depending where you sit the result of brexit will either hit you lightly or hard. But hit you it will.

 

How can brexit voters say to me, except it and come on board. Are they going to compensate me the thousands of pounds I am going to be out of pocket, every year? Are they going to compensate me for the hundreds of pounds I am already out of pocket since the vote?

 

The brexit vote will cost us all very dearly and I feel anger and frustration, not only for myself, but for my family and younger generation who have been sold down the swanny by a bunch of middle aged white people 'wanting their country back'.

 

A catastrophic disaster for the UK. Nothing is going to change my mind on this, but I suppose I will be able to say. 'I told you so' in a couple/three years time when we cut ourselves off from our main trading partners.

 

Realising the damage being caused I have been working hard and already changed one of my businesses to be based through The Netherlands. At least I will be paid in the Euro and can convert back to make up the shortcomings of the weaker pound.

 

There's more to life than making money. If it beneficial for you to more your trade Holland then please do so. What a sad perception you have, saying ' a bunch of middle aged white people' sold you down the swanny. That comment alone speaks volumes of your selfish attitude. Over 17 million people voted to leave the EU, they can't all be wrong...

 

Probably the majority voted against people like you, where the few earnt far more than the masses, probably they were fed up being taking for a ride. probably they voted for a change. We will never know the full details only that they voted with their belief....... For those who cant accept it, then you have a big issue. If you decide to move back into the EU, I wonder how long it will be before you're back..

 

They say the grass is always greener.....

[The Voice Of Reason]

Whilst I truly sympathise Steve with you, and the countless others who have businesses that will suffer (some inevitably going into liquidation) let us not forget why Brexit came about.

 

It actually happened because it was instigated by David Cameron, and the tory party.

 

An obsession to win votes; and power for another term.

 

An odious, nasty little ponce of a public schoolboy; who will (give it time) prove to be possibly the worst Prime Minister in history. A man completely out of touch with those who are genuinely in poverty. A man who's despicable attack on disabled folk caused many to actually take their own lives; whilst his friends in banking and industry increased their personal wealth through tax cuts.

 

A nasty little individual; that despite his public persona, ruled office whilst his bumchum chancellor borrowed more money than every other Labour Govt. in history combined.

 

And a coward; that having caused this problem, jumped ship immediately - yet will now go on to again feather his own nest by spouting his bllox on the after-dinner circuit.

 

Remember Steve - YOU supported this coward and his poor excuse of a government.

 

I hope that you have come to realise that now as then, we clearly aren't "all in it together".

Edited October 28, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason

[Nobblytriers]

 

Companies are and will be leaving the UK, that much is known, remember that article 50 is still a long way off..

 

 

What companies are they then and can you give the exact reason they are leaving? Can you name them please?