A ORLOV Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd say he would be the exception to the rule.How many very wealthy farmers are there compared to electricians?And we are so often told that farmers are being screwed and are just about coping. Most of these farmers say they are being screwed but they all drive around in expensive cars and Range Rovers. Why many of them voted to get out was because of all the red tape and paperwork they have to comply with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd say he would be the exception to the rule.How many very wealthy farmers are there compared to electricians?And we are so often told that farmers are being screwed and are just about coping. I don't know . How many wealthy farmers are there compared to electricians ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Most of these farmers say they are being screwed but they all drive around in expensive cars and Range Rovers. Why many of them voted to get out was because of all the red tape and paperwork they have to comply with. So they are quite similar to the guy in Orions post.They are doing great financially,just don't like doing the work to get the financial gain,so voted for an uncertain future I don't know . How many wealthy farmers are there compared to electricians ? Have a look in the phone book under Electrician and Wealthy Farmer and tell us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I think you are cherry picking. I know a very wealthy independent farmer in Bedfordshire who receives £120,000 a year from the EU in set aside fees for doing nothing, and he voted out. I would suggest he knows a thing or two about the EU 'club'....... Yea of course you do .we all know someone who's actions help us back us up in a debate . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yea of course you do .we all know someone who's actions help us back us up in a debate . It must be the bloke who always laughs down the pub when someone explains the speedway rules 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd say he would be the exception to the rule.How many very wealthy farmers are there compared to electricians?And we are so often told that farmers are being screwed and are just about coping. There are many wealthy farmers in the UK, and he told me that the majority of his fellow 'squires' also voted out. Most of these guys are very very wealthy, and most of them plead poverty. That's what farmers do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 It must be the bloke who always laughs down the pub when someone explains the speedway rules Maybe it's the bloke on the dole who lives down the road who has a 55'' tv who smokes and drinks all the time and go's on 4 holidays a year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Maybe it's the bloke on the dole who lives down the road who has a 55'' tv who smokes and drinks all the time and go's on 4 holidays a year . Black Friday soon... we can watch 'em fighting over more 55" tv's in Aldi. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Would that include the Tories led by Blair and Brown ? As a 'Corbyn'ite' I can assure you that it doesn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Black Friday soon... we can watch 'em fighting over more 55" tv's in Aldi. Black ? you racist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yea of course you do .we all know someone who's actions help us back us up in a debate . But you said the outer's never understood what they were voting for, clearly that is not the case. This guy has been one of my main suppliers for 20 years, he is not some bloke down the pub. He is very well informed on all matters 'EU'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) But you said the outer's never understood what they were voting for, clearly that is not the case. This guy has been one of my main suppliers for 20 years, he is not some bloke down the pub. He is very well informed on all matters 'EU'...I doubt all matters, purely those that affect him and his personal business interests.. The whole exit thing is a mess with no mandate for either a hard or soft exit. BTW, those saying that remainers should just shut up are forgetting that everyone continues to have a right to express an opinion. As Ian Hislop has said, those that lose a general election are not expected to be silent for the following five year term.. Edited October 14, 2016 by Yer Ropes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 But you said the outer's never understood what they were voting for, clearly that is not the case. This guy has been one of my main suppliers for 20 years, he is not some bloke down the pub. He is very well informed on all matters 'EU'... As has been said we all know these people when debating on forums ..comes in handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 My take on this referendum is that the bigger percentage of people didn't know enough of the important issues to base a solid opinion. This is the reason that Cameron thought we could be easily led, and thought he could push it through without too many problems. Big mistake, as he never afforded us with any sense. Had he done a better job when trying to put our case to the EU power instead of rolling over like a lap dog, then this referendum wouldn't have been necessary. From his high post he used ever conceivable way possible to persuade Joe Public to roll over like him. He spent millions of pounds of tax payers money to projects this ideas, he brought out all the old cronies to help this cause, even the president of the States had his two pennies worth as well. We had every expert in the land telling us what we must do. I have no doubt his tactics persuaded many peoples vote to stay, but he still could win that vote. Imagine what the percentage would be had he let people vote their own opinion. This was a result for the people who wanted change, this was a result against the way this country was being run, this was a result against Cameron for dismissing the public like he did. This was a result of many things.... Did the leave voters know enough to vote sensibly, no probably not, but no less than those who wanted to stay. Was it the right vote:- who knows, only time will tell.. But instead of people on here going on and on about the wrong vote, lets give the leave campaigner's their glory and lets us make a bloody good go at making it a success. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Interesting take on the state of the pound http://www.cityam.com/250902/dramatic-fall-sterling-cause-celebration-not-depression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 The price of true democracy is that people of all levels of intelligence/understanding get one vote each.. The tactics of each side in the run up did probably influence a few who did not bother to broaden their understanding of the issues by doing a 'little research'. What is evident to me is that the constant carping from the 'losers' and their glorifying each bit of 'bad' news is actually making the situation worse painting, as it does, a massively divided nation. As others have said, now is the time to accept the will of the majority and work hard to make a success of it. I still believe the EU will implode if it does not reform. In respect of the latter, there are presently no indicators that it will reform. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 What is evident to me is that the constant carping from the 'losers' and their glorifying each bit of 'bad' news is actually making the situation worse painting, as it does, a massively divided nation. As others have said, now is the time to accept the will of the majority and work hard to make a success of it. Funny you don't mention the massive rise in racial abuse after the referendum.That is dividing the nation ,as people feel the vote to leave has given them backing for their bigoted views.Seeing a lot of the views posted on sites like the Evening Standard Facebook page is quite frightening coming from people in a modern country 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 The price of true democracy is that people of all levels of intelligence/understanding get one vote each.. The tactics of each side in the run up did probably influence a few who did not bother to broaden their understanding of the issues by doing a 'little research'. What is evident to me is that the constant carping from the 'losers' and their glorifying each bit of 'bad' news is actually making the situation worse painting, as it does, a massively divided nation. As others have said, now is the time to accept the will of the majority and work hard to make a success of it. I still believe the EU will implode if it does not reform. In respect of the latter, there are presently no indicators that it will reform. Lol ..what do you think would have happened if they vote would have gone the other way ? do you the out lot would have not carped on and just got on with it ? not sure where you been but the out side have been glorifying every little single thing that has gone wrong in the Eu for years and still do today making the nation massively divided . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Lol ..what do you think would have happened if they vote would have gone the other way ? do you the out lot would have not carped on and just got on with it ? not sure where you been but the out side have been glorifying every little single thing that has gone wrong in the Eu for years and still do today making the nation massively divided . If the truth beknown, I would have got on with it. Politics and democracy although we can vote, we actually have no control over. You just have to make the best of what cards you are given in life. That's the way I was educated and I am a firm believer in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Lol ..what do you think would have happened if they vote would have gone the other way ? do you the out lot would have not carped on and just got on with it ? not sure where you been but the out side have been glorifying every little single thing that has gone wrong in the Eu for years and still do today making the nation massively divided .The thing is Orion the result was a massive shock nobody really expected it i didnt a real shock result .The Establishment were defeated Cameron really underestimated the feeling of the british people and he got it horribly wrong is it right is it Wrong.?.For me if we had got some powers back (Cameron Failed) i would of been happy to stay put.But this decision now is the right thing to do i believe in our country and think we will make a very good fist of it. Edited October 14, 2016 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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