The Voice Of Reason Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I knew "the royals make us money from tourism" garbage would be spouted sooner rather than later. Clearly, we have a handful of The S*n/Daily Mail readers in our midst. Anyway, would anyone like to tell us 'costs v financial returns'.......before I bury you with the FACTS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I knew "the royals make us money from tourism" garbage would be spouted sooner rather than later. Clearly, we have a handful of The S*n/Daily Mail readers in our midst. Anyway, would anyone like to tell us 'costs v financial returns'.......before I bury you with the FACTS? The biggest cost to commoners were the millions of acres of land the 'royals' stole from them. Parasites... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 If people want to wallow in self pity, not get themselves an education, sit on their arse and expect the state to fund their lifestyle they don't get any sympathy from me. Plenty of opportunities if people want them but too many people want it gift wrapped. The Queen still brings more kudos to this country then you could ever imagine and if people want to come and see her and spend their monies here because London is a great place then good on her. My family are from a council estate, we all worked hard, all have good jobs, we pay tax/NIC, we didn't have a family holiday, or new clothes, we were below the poverty line but I am not moaning or self-righteous. I get on with it and so does everyone else. Your anti-Roylist anti-capitalist stance is amazing. I bet you own your own home, nice car, have a good job, go on holiday. How much thought do you give to the poor then? Anyway, back to the topic... Totally agree with your first sentence and bringing it back to the topic in question, here lies the problem with immigration. No-one seemingly wants to do the low skill/paid jobs that immigrants are happy to be employed in so how do we fill those jobs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 As already said, 'The Voice of Reason' would appear to be a total 'misnomer' - such bitterness. I am almost beginning to feel sorry for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) I wonder if the people who voted brexit back in June realised just how badly it was going to hit them in the pocket right now, would have still voted to leave? Fruit and veg prices are already on the rise. Fuel is rising at a rate of a penny a day. Holidays are now 20% more expensive than a few months ago. At the time I said a decent majority of the Brexit voters were the equivelent to fishwives of Hartlepool. Didn't have a clue what they really voted for, and still don't know as 'long as they get their country back'. They don't seem to have grasped the fact that the borders will have to remain open for Britain to get the best possible trade deal with europe, by far our biggest trading partner. And the deal we will get will be a very poor second against the one we have now. So what is Britain to gain? Some trade deals with third world nations? The import if large amounts of Brazilian beef is sure to cheer up our beef farmers, who will lose their EU grants. A trade deal with Australia, so instead of un-subsidised expensive beef we can tuck into a roast Sunday lunch of kangeroo. We can make our own laws. Will they be any different to the ones we are governed by today? We take control of our borders. No we won't. Nothing will change as we are had over a barrel. The millions of Brits living in Europe could be forced back here if we close our borders to EU citizens. We are in for years of very hard times. It will hit the poor more but it will hit everyone. Already its costing me money as it is everyone. But thats ok, as we are spending an extra 350 million a week on the NHS. So The vote leave campain would have you believe! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308 Happy days! Edited October 12, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Makes you wonder why we are leaving seeing we are doing so well ...no doubt all these great things happened the moment we decided to leave . it will be years before we know if leaving or staying was the right thing to do ..but already we have got people claiming it some great success about 12 weeks later . Yet another one refusing to accept democracy,when people don't vote the way you wish them too.We had a vote on June 23rd and we clearly voted to leave the corrupt cartel known as the EU, Your side lost, what part of 'we voted to leave the EU ,don't you understand. I expect every person on this forum has been on the losing side in votes, it happens get over it. Your side in the referendum had the whole government machine behind them including the huge resources of the civil service.Cameron was allowed to spend over £9 million of taxpayer money on pro EU propaganda.You had half of the Tory party,most of the Cabinet,virtually all of the Labour Party,the LIb Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru,Greens, SInn Fein/IRA. The CBI,TUC,NFU,Unite, Unison,big business threatening their employees to vote remain. The EU funded BBC spouting pro EU propaganda 24/7, Sky,ITV and Channel 4 all supporting the Remain side. Even large sections of the Press, MIrror ,Guardian,Times,FT,Observer, Mail on Sunday,People were all on the Remain side, Cameron even drafted Obama in to threaten us,and he even begged other foreign leaders to support the remain side. And yet you claim the vote was unfair. and that people didn't know what they were voting for. It is blissfully ironic and symbolic that one of your biggest Remain supporters Christine Lagarde head of the IMF will be shortly standing trial in a Paris courtroom, for financial irregularities and corruption,, Somethings are beyond parody. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wonder if the people who voted brexit back in June realised just how badly it was going to hit them in the pocket right now, would have still voted to leave? Fruit and veg prices are already on the rise. Fuel is rising at a rate of a penny a day. Holidays are now 20% more expensive than a few months ago. At the time I said a decent majority of the Brexit voters were the equivelent to fishwives of Hartlepool. Didn't have a clue what they really voted for, and still don't know as 'long as they get their country back'. They don't seem to have grasped the fact that the borders will have to remain open for Britain to get the best possible trade deal with europe, by far our biggest trading partner. And the deal we will get will be a very poor second against the one we have now. So what is Britain to gain? Some trade deals with third world nations? The import if large amounts of Brazilian beef is sure to cheer up our beef farmers, who will lose their EU grants. A trade deal with Australia, so instead of un-subsidised expensive beef we can tuck into a roast Sunday lunch of kangeroo. We can make our own laws. Will they be any different to the ones we are governed by today? We take control of our borders. No we won't. Nothing will change as we are had over a barrel. The millions of Brits living in Europe could be forced back here if we close our borders to EU citizens. We are in for years of very hard times. It will hit the poor more but it will hit everyone. Already its costing me money as it is everyone. But thats ok, as we are spending an extra 350 million a week on the NHS. So The vote leave campain would have you believe! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308 Happy days! So your alternative is to stick with a sinking ship that is going down faster than the Titanic.My take is we have the qualities skills and people in this country to stand on our own two feet.Steve what is sad about you is you want it to FAIL just to prove a point which is very sad indeed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 So your alternative is to stick with a sinking ship that is going down faster than the Titanic.My take is we have the qualities skills and people in this country to stand on our own two feet.Steve what is sad about you is you want it to FAIL just to prove a point which is very sad indeed. Some people cannot accept that we are leaving this organisation that is on the verge of imploding. If they do not like what will happen and think the eu is so great they can always go and live in an eu country. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Some people cannot accept that we are leaving this organisation that is on the verge of imploding. If they do not like what will happen and think the eu is so great they can always go and live in an eu country. So if you have a different opinion you have to leave the country now. That's very democratic!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 So if you have a different opinion you have to leave the country now. That's very democratic!!! No, only if you keep moaning about a democratic vote that has taken place you have the option to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 No, only if you keep moaning about a democratic vote that has taken place you have the option to leave. It is not necessarily about moaning. It's about having a debate that makes sure Britain gets a good deal - that's the most important thing going forward. Just because the result of the vote was to leave the EU doesn't mean those who did not want to leave cannot make their views known and taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 And its just been announced on the 6 o'clock bbc news that petrol prices are about to rise by 5p a litre imminently. Directly caused by the brexit vote. Price of fuel up 5p a litre. Price of food up about 5% but house prices down on average £1000 so the loss on fuel and food is wiped out by the gain on buying a house. Great news for most people under 35 who don't yet own a home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) So your alternative is to stick with a sinking ship that is going down faster than the Titanic.My take is we have the qualities skills and people in this country to stand on our own two feet.Steve what is sad about you is you want it to FAIL just to prove a point which is very sad indeed.We had the fifth largest economy on the planet. Will that be the case after brexit? Highly unlikely. But why on earth would I want it to fail? Failure means hardship, or less revenue for my business and family. Why would I want less money? My income is down already as prices and fuel rises in Price. While I have a good business and am better off than many people, if I can feel the change already what will the lower end of society, the less well off, be feeling? And this is before we leave. Nothing is going to change with the exception of high food and fuel proces, electronic consumables going through the roof and the standard of living dropping through the floor. But hey, we have our country back, right? 😳 Price of fuel up 5p a litre. Price of food up about 5% but house prices down on average £1000 so the loss on fuel and food is wiped out by the gain on buying a house. Great news for most people under 35 who don't yet own a home.Yep. Instead of that property costing £349,950, it now only costs 348,950. Edited October 12, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I see all the 'doom and gloom' merchants are out in force and we have yet to know what the final outcome will be. Just as an aside, the Pound almost fell to parity against US dollar some years ago and fuel has also been as high as £1.40 per litre. Even with a moderate increase, white goods will, in real terms, be much cheaper than in years past.. Maybe it is time to shop more at Aldi and Lidl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 We had the fifth largest economy on the planet. Will that be the case after brexit? Highly unlikely. But why on earth would I want it to fail? Failure means hardship, or less revenue for my business and family. Why would I want less money? My income is down already as prices and fuel rises in Price. While I have a good business and am better off than many people, if I can feel the change already what will the lower end of society, the less well off, be feeling? And this is before we leave. Nothing is going to change with the exception of high food and fuel proces, electronic consumables going through the roof and the standard of living dropping through the floor. But hey, we have our country back, right? Yep. Instead of that property costing £349,950, it now only costs 348,950. As with any major event some lose and others win, people will have to adapt to the changing situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) True Orlovski, but there will be very few financial winners as a result of Brexit.. Edited October 12, 2016 by Yer Ropes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 As with any major event some lose and others win, people will have to adapt to the changing situation. Really? Like the flower importer a couple of weeks ago that had fixed 6 months contracts to supply flowers to supermarkets from Holland etc and with the current exchange rate found that he was selling them for less that he was getting paid so his company went into administration. He didn't adapt very well!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Really? Like the flower importer a couple of weeks ago that had fixed 6 months contracts to supply flowers to supermarkets from Holland etc and with the current exchange rate found that he was selling them for less that he was getting paid so his company went into administration. He didn't adapt very well!! No doubt there are many stories of others who export and are doing very well. It is a pity about the flower importer but anybody who knew what they were doing would have had a currency exchange rate clause in any contract when dealing with purchases or sales abroad. Others that have made money are those that have invested in the right stocks and shares, 9% growth in one investment last week was ok and many others attained 4-6% and lot more than that since June. Edited October 12, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 No doubt there are many stories of others who export and are doing very well. It is a pity about the flower importer but anybody who knew what they were doing would have had a currency exchange rate clause in any contract when dealing with purchases or sales abroad. Others that have made money are those that have invested in the right stocks and shares, 9% growth in one investment last week was ok and many others attained 4-6% and lot more than that since June. Ah, that will be ok then! The financial services sector does ok - again, but real people lose their jobs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Ah, that will be ok then! The financial services sector does ok - again, but real people lose their jobs!! If you check the unemployment numbers they are down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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