Lenny Lion Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 All the best to Lakeside fans hopefully something can be organised sooner rather then later for all your fans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 If Lakeside are not successful in getting a new home, then I fear the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Anyway why I came here today was to say that since Lakeside closed our forum Remember that despite the childish efforts of Standartenführer Cook to silence free speech, that Lakeside does indeed have a forum at: http://lakesidehammerfans.freeforums.net What is quite poignant is the fact that many Lakeside Supporters on the forum are already looking to switch their support to Rye House. If it is an indication of general feeling, then it is quite apparent that the utterly ludicrous decision of Cook & Douglas to relegate Lakeside to semi-pro National League status, is at best blinkered; and, at worst, the death knell of Lakeside Hammers Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 If it is an indication of general feeling, then it is quite apparent that the utterly ludicrous decision of Cook & Douglas to relegate Lakeside to semi-pro National League status, is at best blinkered; and, at worst, the death knell of Lakeside Hammers Speedway. Its easy to call a decision utterly ludicrous when you are not the one footing the bill. If you ever attended Arena (and we all know you don't ) you would be aware of the big drop in crowds since the road works on the A!3 started . causing huge delays through Dartford Tunnel that are keeping large numbers of fans from Kent away. At the Poole A fixture for example we know it took Kelvin Tatum 5hours to do 20 miles . He had to because its his job but the average fan is just going to turn round and go home rather than put up with that after a days works. . The Saturday meetings against Coventry were much better supported . The unfortunate fact is that Tilbury Docks are being expanded to become the biggest container port in Europe and roadworks in connection with it are going to go on for some time yet. We all know in your dream world .its all Cook and Duggo's fault for not having 7 GP riders in the team to bring the crowds flocking back but the real world doesn't work like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 What is quite poignant is the fact that many Lakeside Supporters on the forum are already looking to switch their support to Rye House. Many? There's only about 6 or 7 post on there and half of them are already up with the old "I would go to Rye House but its too far excuse" that you use. Never mind you can always start a Rye House Forum of your own and sit behind your keyboard heaping abuse on Dave Watt like you did when he was at Lakeside. It will be just like the old days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 and sit behind your keyboard heaping abuse on Dave Watt like you did when he was at Lakeside. As to you, who sits behind his keyboard heaping abuse at members on this forum continously which I would go as far to say 'online bullying'. I don't like bullies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) 'The Voice of Reason' lives in Warwickshire I believe and, as the situation has been explained to me although I've no way of guaranteeing its accuracy, whilst I and no doubt you believe he is fully entitled to hold his views and express them as he has done on this and every other forum provided they are not libellous, it has been patently obvious for some time that he dislikes Jon Cook immensely since he was told his services as a member of the trackstaff were no longer required at Purfleet. Whether that was prior to him moving to Warwickshire I really don't know. What I DO know is that it was down to postings of a constant negative nature from him and others that led to the original forum being put into 'maintenance mode' i.e. effectively shut. Nobody in their right mind would object to receiving criticism, in fact most would welcome it, PROVIDED it was of a constructive nature. Go to the forum address "The Voice of Reason" has given you, see how many of the 43 members (last time I looked) post on it and see for yourselves. "E I Addio" has! Edited November 16, 2016 by Bryn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's about time this thread was moved out of the elite league section. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Its easy to call a decision utterly ludicrous when you are not the one footing the bill. If you ever attended Arena (and we all know you don't ) you would be aware of the big drop in crowds since the road works on the A!3 started . causing huge delays through Dartford Tunnel that are keeping large numbers of fans from Kent away. At the Poole A fixture for example we know it took Kelvin Tatum 5hours to do 20 miles . He had to because its his job but the average fan is just going to turn round and go home rather than put up with that after a days works. . The Saturday meetings against Coventry were much better supported . The unfortunate fact is that Tilbury Docks are being expanded to become the biggest container port in Europe and roadworks in connection with it are going to go on for some time yet. We all know in your dream world .its all Cook and Duggo's fault for not having 7 GP riders in the team to bring the crowds flocking back but the real world doesn't work like that. Everyone knows Cook is behind the traffic and roadworks next to the stadium, it was part of his plan to slowly kill off Lakeside losing a bit more money each year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Lakeside Annual Dinner and Dance this weekend and once again all 2oo tickets sold http://www.lakesidehammers.co/countdown-dinner-dance/ Youngsters from the Academy will be coming, various "club legends " of the past will be coming, some of the 2016 team will be coming but will "Voice of Reason " be coming ? No. Kim Nilsson can be bothered to fly in from Sweden but V.O.R, cant be bothered to come. Jon Cook and Kelvin Tatum will be outlining where the club is at the moment and plans for the future but VOR who constantly complains that he is never told what is happening wont be there to hear it. He will just carry on with his constant complaining, not bothering to find out the facts and calling Jon Cook, Kelvin and one or two others names on forums he wont call them to their face.. Says it all really. There is no doubt that the future is uncertain, and the club has a fight to survive but there is clearly a loyal fan base at the moment. despite what some would like us to belive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I agree even though I am interested in rye its only because I like all the riders and I will need my speedway fix.but if there is NL for lakeside this season then I will be there also if its not for 2/3 years till we get our own stadium then I will wait once a hammer always a hammer.and if the moaning minnies don't like it then they know what they can go and do. jon stewart and kelvin will always have my full support COME ON YOU HAMMERS!!!!!!1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) There may be 43 Members Bryn.......and there was also a 'guest' called 'The Welshman' or something; that used to appear spouting his utter bile to registered members. Remember? Just to reiterate that nobody 'dispensed with my services'. As you are well aware, I moved to The Midlands; but remained a Machine Examiner for the duration of the season in 2012. Driving an old 70's Merc, my fuel bill was around £65 - but I stayed neverheless. I had 3 x £50 payments towards my fuel; but spent hundreds of pounds of my own money having committed to this voluntary role. I'd also leave home around 1pm; and having always stayed to put things away, would get back home around 3am the following morning. I personally consider that more commitment than somebody who appears to be forever poncing lifts to get anywhere; answers a few phone calls, then toddles off to the bar. But each to their own. And my main issue with our club is around the constant lack of communication. For example, the recent statement via The Speedway Star; instead of the clubs website; or social media. Anyway, as you and EI Addio appear to be the official mouthpieces on here, maybe you can update the fans who do still attend, what's happening for 2017 - as it's apparent they haven't got any idea. An update on the 'new track' would also be most welcome. Edited November 17, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I agree even though I am interested in rye its only because I like all the riders and I will need my speedway fix.but if there is NL for lakeside this season then I will be there also if its not for 2/3 years till we get our own stadium then I will wait once a hammer always a hammer.and if the moaning minnies don't like it then they know what they can go and do. jon stewart and kelvin will always have my full support COME ON YOU HAMMERS!!!!!!1 Do you honestly think we will get a new stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's about time this thread was moved out of the elite league section. Probably waiting until we 'officially' declare for NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 'The Voice of Reason' lives in Warwickshire I believe and, as the situation has been explained to me although I've no way of guaranteeing its accuracy, whilst I and no doubt you believe he is fully entitled to hold his views and express them as he has done on this and every other forum provided they are not libellous, it has been patently obvious for some time that he dislikes Jon Cook immensely since he was told his services as a member of the trackstaff were no longer required at Purfleet. Whether that was prior to him moving to Warwickshire I really don't know. What I DO know is that it was down to postings of a constant negative nature from him and others that led to the original forum being put into 'maintenance mode' i.e. effectively shut. Nobody in their right mind would object to receiving criticism, in fact most would welcome it, PROVIDED it was of a constructive nature. Go to the forum address "The Voice of Reason" has given you, see how many of the 43 members (last time I looked) post on it and see for yourselves. "E I Addio" has! 100% correct. However, you, Jon Cook and Neil Vatcher are among the few that don't welcome constructive criticism. You appear to be totally unable to grasp that Lakeside Speedway is supposed to be operating as a professional enterprise and therefore, run in a professional manner. As for the state of your mind, right or otherwise, I really couldn't comment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 'The Voice of Reason' lives in Warwickshire I believe and, as the situation has been explained to me although I've no way of guaranteeing its accuracy, whilst I and no doubt you believe he is fully entitled to hold his views and express them as he has done on this and every other forum provided they are not libellous, it has been patently obvious for some time that he dislikes Jon Cook immensely since he was told his services as a member of the trackstaff were no longer required at Purfleet. Whether that was prior to him moving to Warwickshire I really don't know. What I DO know is that it was down to postings of a constant negative nature from him and others that led to the original forum being put into 'maintenance mode' i.e. effectively shut. Nobody in their right mind would object to receiving criticism, in fact most would welcome it, PROVIDED it was of a constructive nature. Go to the forum address "The Voice of Reason" has given you, see how many of the 43 members (last time I looked) post on it and see for yourselves. "E I Addio" has! It was also the Forum that told you to go take a hike Bryn cos of your constant trolling and bullrubbish - exactly what you are accusing The Voice of Reason of doing. Lakeside Fans once again found out info from the SS this week, rather than their own forms of communication - website, FB or twitter. Another perfect example of what TVOR and others, including myself, have highlighted is a big issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) It was also the Forum that told you to go take a hike Bryn cos of your constant trolling and bullrubbish - exactly what you are accusing The Voice of Reason of doing. Lakeside Fans once again found out info from the SS this week, rather than their own forms of communication - website, FB or twitter. Another perfect example of what TVOR and others, including myself, have highlighted is a big issue. You are right the communication is bad and I don't think many would argue with that but some of the personal abuse of management and riders has been a bit pathetic don't you think? Iam not naming any names here but anyone can hide behind a computer and do that. Edited November 18, 2016 by liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Typical bryn, part of the establishment, no outsider allowed a view 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 The fact Edward Kennett has been quoted as saying he talked to Scott Nicholls about going to Rye makes me wonder if Lakeside pulling out of the top flight and Rye moving up was known well before the AGM? Funny also how Edward will not be attending the Hammers end of season diner & dance yet Swede Kim Nilsson can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) You are right the communication is bad and I don't think many would argue with that but some of the personal abuse of management and riders has been a bit pathetic don't you think? Iam not naming any names here but anyone can hide behind a computer and do that.That really is the nub of the issue . If you take any EL club in the country the bulk of the fans complaints these days are lack of communication and failing riders not being replaced as quick as some fans woukd like . Sometimes the complaints are justified sometime they aren't but it's what Speedwáy fans like having a good moan about and we all think we know best. But there is a big difference between having a moan and getting abusive on a personal level. People who read the forum have read VOR's posts and can make their own judgment on the vituperent way he chooses to express himself. His posts and hounding of Neil Vstcher in particular on the old Lakeside forum were beyond the pale. I think everybody woukd agree that Neil has been a great asset to the under 21's but his tenure as TM at Lakeside was maybe a bridge too far. People woukd be entitled to make fair and constructive criticism of his role as TM but on a personal level he is a decent bloke, he has given hell of a lot to Speedwáy , and continues to do so. He certainly doesn't deserve personal abuse on the level one poster in particular (guess who ) was giving on the old Lakeside forum. Similarly Dave Watt. Most Lakeside fans could see that Watty did a terrific job as captain in holding the team together after his great friend Lee Richardson died. Then in 2013, as I have mentioned on here before he did a great job with Peter Karlsson have to go out in match match after match at Arena to pull off a heat 15 win to take the match points. In fact in 2012 and 2013,he posted some of the best CMA's of his career for Lakeside. Unfortunately in 2014 a combination of injuries and personal problems which have been well documented took their toll on Davey's form and the two or three usual suspects on the Lakeside forum were in action with their knives. Davey is not beyond criticism by any means, but had deserved better than he got from certain so called fans. Edited November 18, 2016 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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