Wolves 2017

[Call me wolfie]

He knows CMW. If you pop back in the thread to before Adam was released and read the posts from TDM all will become clear.

Fair enough, I'm just conscious of the fact that most of us get 40 - 50 years in our chosen careers and riders will get half that if they're lucky and can only earn half the year. I just think it would be a little bit harsh to limit their earning capabilities to one or two days a week.

[Fromafar]

Fair enough, I'm just conscious of the fact that most of us get 40 - 50 years in our chosen careers and riders will get half that if they're lucky and can only earn half the year. I just think it would be a little bit harsh to limit their earning capabilities to one or two days a week.

Fair enough, but choosing Sport is never going to be a long career.Personally think the lesser riders make a decent amount given their abilities.No one forced them to be a speedway rider they do it because they want too.

[CookieIpswich]

Speedway isn't a sport you retire on and never have to work again, riders know this, the sport doesnt not have the money

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

In a lot of various sports unless your at the top a lot of competitors have other jobs but for some bizzare reason speedway riders seem to think because they can race speedway they should earn a living from it ,unless at the top be grateful you get paid to ride your bike , you could always get a job in the real world 9-5 , nobody is forcing you to ride ,for 20 years I had a blast , the time of my life and looking back it proberly cost me to ride but so what , I earnt a living outside speedway and always have done , I don't begrudge riders earning a living at the top but the money just isn't there for everyone and attitudes need to change

[acef]

Who's comparing him?

It's irrelevant who more or less he has progressed in comparison too..... evidence shows he has.

Steve was a no hoper 3 pointer for a few years until he had a huge breakthru and has never looked back since.

 

FWIW have never seen the hype over Clegg or the appeal. However even I can argue with the stats that show small and steady progression.

I'm comparing.

 

I'd already said he had made progress, there is no need to counter argue with that because I'd said it already.

 

I'll spell it out for you. Max will never make it. It's that simple

[hyderd]

Rory and Mark Riss confirmed in for Clegg

 

Confused here, how can 2 riders replace 1 ?????

[CookieIpswich]

Speedway riders need to learn from MMA fighters particularly in this country

[BluPanther]

 

Confused here, how can 2 riders replace 1 ?????

Maybe Adam Skornicki has become the invisible man...

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Maybe Adam Skornicki has become the invisible man...

or so far behind he isnt in the same frame.. ☺

[INCOGNITO]

Does anyone know how these new GSA's are going to be issued, is it when each team have completed 4 home and aways or is it individual riders, Say for example we replaced Adam with David Howe now, his average is currently 7ish but he has stated that when the new GSA's are issued he will be 4.8. Surely he wont have to wait until he has completed 4 home and away for this to happen, or does he?

DHRs confirmation of his CMA (4.80) after the new 42 point team building limit is imposed, would seem to suggest that any 'new ' (currently unused) rider will not have their previous CMA affected by the 1.4 multiplier that started the season off under the 50 point team building limit.

 

When a team has completed FOUR home meetings and FOUR away meetings the riders are given new averages derived from these eight meetings. The points limit is then lowered to the correct 42.00 and as you will see, most riders averages will drop as they are currently set at the second levels ability (2016 Premier League)

 

 

Any new signings in the Premiership will come in on their 2016 Elite League average or if they don't have one it will be their Premier League average divided by 1.4. If they join a Championship team, they stay on their PL average which means a rider like David Howe could join for example, Redcar on 6.72 or Swindon on 4.80.

 

With Wolves having ridden a number of matches already, when they reach their eight meetings, Schlein and Riss should see their averages revert to old Elite League averages which would be 5.12 and 3.00 (could be 2.85 to be precise). If a rider misses one or more of the first eight meetings it is unsure what they will do and there already has been questions about the bargain riders like Klindt and Bjerre missing a meeting.

 

They could revert to their old EL averages or maybe only for team building purposes but if they kept their original starting average, they could only be replaced by a rider using their converted EL average. Therefore as an example, Nicolai Klindt is on 5.42 and misses a meeting. He either reverts to his 6.36 EL average or stays on 5.42 but that in effect is only a 3.88 EL average so couldn't be replaced by a rider on a new 5.41 average.

 

 

 

Hope that clears it up some what but as usual to an outsider and even many inside its still confusing to many and mistakes will be made using different sets of averages as it has been already more than once.

 

 

 

As for the changes at Wolves, it's a shame they didn't let Skornicki do his eight meetings as he was heading towards a sub four average and at reserve on his new engine should have been a real strong point. His final meeting was poor and was so far off the pace the kids after the meetings looked quicker. Hope he gets back on track and shows as he did at Rye House he can still score well.

 

Rory is another on a bargain average and is in effect on a 5.12 average (7.17 converted) and is a much better rider than that and has performed well at most tracks over the years either for them, as a guest or a visitor.

 

As for Max leaving and Riss in, well Max has struggled but like Adam, if he was on a 2.00 average and at number seven he might find it a little easier but Mark Riss is coming on nicely and is worth a gamble and would be good if he was one day followed by his brother.

 

 

Rye House next to Monmore and the inclusion of Ricky Wells in their team makes it an even better night where anything could happen with a visiting team full of WV2 track specialists over the years.

[stevebrum]

I'm comparing.

I'd already said he had made progress, there is no need to counter argue with that because I'd said it already.

I'll spell it out for you. Max will never make it. It's that simple

It's like comparing Robert Lambert and Josh Bailey.

Don't get the comparison personally.

As for Max, i don't necessarily disagree with you.

[BWitcher]

I'm comparing.

 

I'd already said he had made progress, there is no need to counter argue with that because I'd said it already.

 

I'll spell it out for you. Max will never make it. It's that simple

 

Some would suggest racing speedway in the top flight and an Elite League gold medal, British U-19 champion that he has already 'made it'.

[brianbuck]

After a quick check of the current teams, I make it that of the 56 members of the 8 Premiership Clubs, 28 also race for other teams i.e. 50% - and it is just madness!

 

Just imagine the scenario should the promotion/relegation play-off happen to feature Wolverhampton and Edinburgh. Two Wolves riders will be missing from their team - because they will be riding for the opposition, and anyone buying a programme will see the names of these two riders listed in both teams! How on earth can this be explained to the people who have never seen speedway before and whom we might be trying to persuade to come down and give it a try?

 

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

After a quick check of the current teams, I make it that of the 56 members of the 8 Premiership Clubs, 28 also race for other teams i.e. 50% - and it is just madness!

 

Just imagine the scenario should the promotion/relegation play-off happen to feature Wolverhampton and Edinburgh. Two Wolves riders will be missing from their team - because they will be riding for the opposition, and anyone buying a programme will see the names of these two riders listed in both teams! How on earth can this be explained to the people who have never seen speedway before and whom we might be trying to persuade to come down and give it a try?

 

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please!

i have banged on about doubling up since it became the norm, it is a total farce

If a team sign double up riders ,promotors should be made to reduce admission price per meeting by a £5 per rider for every time a rider misses a meeting cause riding for other team excluding young British NL riders

Edited April 23, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[CookieIpswich]

British Speedway can only have two leagues, if I were in charge I would have...

 

PREMIERSHIP

Belle Vue

Poole

Swindon

Rye House

Glasgow

Somerset

Leicester

Wolverhampton

Kings Lynn

Ipswich

Sheffield

Edinburgh

Peterborough

Lakeside

 

CHAMPIONSHIP

Berwick

Redcar

Workington

Scunthorpe

Newcastle

Birmingham

Buxton

Cradley

Eastbourne

Kent

Isle of Wight

Mildenhall

Stoke

Plymouth

 

Championship would be closee to the national league so current championship second strings would likely be heat leaders ride home and away once plus a cup competition = 26-32 meetings not including play offs for top 4.

 

Premiership would need to give riders the chance to earn so need meetings.

 

14 teams can produce 26 meetings home and away once, a knock out cup competition two legs per round, plus a league cup competition to start the season two leagues of 7 you ride 3 home, 3 away top 4 from each group progress into 2nd round which is 2 groups of 4, top two progress from each group to the final group of 4 two home and two away legs winner of group is league cup champion.

 

Thats a good 40-50 meetings worth there

 

Minimum average in the top league is 5 this is to stop lower averaged riders being thrown in the top tier although it works well for a few

 

Ipswich for example could have

 

1. King

2. L.Bjerre

3. Covatti

4. Bates

5. Schlein

6. Heeps

7. Wilson Dean

 

Example based on all achieving a minimum of 5 avg.

[dabbsjoe]

no idea what this has to do with Wolves 2017

[DJWolves]

As much as the doubling up rule makes no sense to people who don't follow speedway, surely it is common sense to those that do. Riders cannot make a decent living riding for one club only. Top riders have been riding for more than one club for years, albeit in different countries, now there are the opportunities for lesser riders to improve their income by riding in more than one club in the UK.

 

Unless you are prepared to put lots of money into the sport to make it possible for a rider to pay his mortgage riding for one club, this is something that isn't going to change.

 

Where I do agree is that to have play offs at the end of the season between clubs in two leagues that could include the same riders in their normal team is a stupid idea. A deciding heat 15 between Sam Masters and Rider Replacement for Sam Masters.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

no idea what this has to do with Wolves 2017

wolves have 5 double uppers

[foamfence]

British Speedway can only have two leagues, if I were in charge I would have...

 

PREMIERSHIP

Belle Vue

Poole

Swindon

Rye House

Glasgow

Somerset

Leicester

Wolverhampton

Kings Lynn

Ipswich

Sheffield

Edinburgh

Peterborough

Lakeside

 

CHAMPIONSHIP

Berwick

Redcar

Workington

Scunthorpe

Newcastle

Birmingham

Buxton

Cradley

Eastbourne

Kent

Isle of Wight

Mildenhall

Stoke

Plymouth

 

Championship would be closee to the national league so current championship second strings would likely be heat leaders ride home and away once plus a cup competition = 26-32 meetings not including play offs for top 4.

 

Premiership would need to give riders the chance to earn so need meetings.

 

14 teams can produce 26 meetings home and away once, a knock out cup competition two legs per round, plus a league cup competition to start the season two leagues of 7 you ride 3 home, 3 away top 4 from each group progress into 2nd round which is 2 groups of 4, top two progress from each group to the final group of 4 two home and two away legs winner of group is league cup champion.

 

Thats a good 40-50 meetings worth there

 

Minimum average in the top league is 5 this is to stop lower averaged riders being thrown in the top tier although it works well for a few

 

Ipswich for example could have

 

1. King

2. L.Bjerre

3. Covatti

4. Bates

5. Schlein

6. Heeps

7. Wilson Dean

 

Example based on all achieving a minimum of 5 avg.

I wouldn't have Lakeside in either, unless they get another track.

[BWitcher]

As much as the doubling up rule makes no sense to people who don't follow speedway, surely it is common sense to those that do. Riders cannot make a decent living riding for one club only. Top riders have been riding for more than one club for years, albeit in different countries, now there are the opportunities for lesser riders to improve their income by riding in more than one club in the UK.

 

Unless you are prepared to put lots of money into the sport to make it possible for a rider to pay his mortgage riding for one club, this is something that isn't going to change.

 

Where I do agree is that to have play offs at the end of the season between clubs in two leagues that could include the same riders in their normal team is a stupid idea. A deciding heat 15 between Sam Masters and Rider Replacement for Sam Masters.

 

Where has this sudden belief that riders have to earn enough for speedway to be their sole job come from?

 

That used to be the domain of the better riders.

 

Even back in 1996 riders such as James Grieves and Stewart McDonald in the Wolves side were employed in normal jobs. Indeed that was the norm for riders at their level and the league below.