allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 He progressed well 2nd half of last season . What a daft thing to say.Progressed well? Where? I've watched him get passed by Luke Ruddick and get beat on his home track by an Austrian that had never heard of 'Armadale' 3rd season at Edinburgh and Wolves now? I've seen extremely little progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Progressed well? Where? I've watched him get passed by Luke Ruddick and get beat on his home track by an Austrian that had never heard of 'Armadale' 3rd season at Edinburgh and Wolves now? I've seen extremely little progression. 2014 NL 8.58 2015 NL 9.72 PL 3.48 2016 NL 10.08 PL 4.34 Progressed every year so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Progressed well? Where? I've watched him get passed by Luke Ruddick and get beat on his home track by an Austrian that had never heard of 'Armadale' 3rd season at Edinburgh and Wolves now? I've seen extremely little progression. As your name states"no idea"..you ain't got a clue what your talking about.max progressed so much the latter half of last season,nlrc champion oh and under19 British champion.thats progress.as for his form so far,again you ain't got a clue what's going on with equipment etc,max and his mechanic have been working round the clock trying to sort things out.i am sure he will appreciate your possotive comments though.🤡. Best of luck to max . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 As your name states"no idea"..you ain't got a clue what your talking about.max progressed so much the latter half of last season,nlrc champion oh and under19 British champion.thats progress.as for his form so far,again you ain't got a clue what's going on with equipment etc,max and his mechanic have been working round the clock trying to sort things out.i am sure he will appreciate your possotive comments though.. Best of luck to max . It's evident to anyone that watches speedway regularly that he has progressed. His averages bear that out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Rory Schlein will massively improve this Wolves team an so will Riss, great work from Wolves and certain contenders for the title now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Must a club have to make do with an under performing rider just because he's British ?That is a short term statement (with respect). You're right, as things stand. Brits have no more right to a team place than anyone else. But is this how we want it to be? Do we want to be nowhere on the World stage 10 years from now? Or now if you're honest. Well I was reminded of some history yesterday. Back in the 70's Ipswich were renowned for having a British side. Next to no foreigners. And why? Well they invested in their youth. There was a strong link with the Kent Motorcycle Club and in turn the grasstrack scene. We have lost our place in the European speedway hierarchy and we can no longer expect the best to come here just because. We have to go back to grass roots and build from within. There are some good signs with the British youth championships but it's not enough. If we continue to (try and) import solutions to our junior team slots we will 1) never be a world force (oh I know we got a 2nd in the WTC but come on) and 2) never get our operating costs under control (and that's the start of a lingering death). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWolves Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 To think that until recent years this Wolves promotion were being criticised for showing too much loyalty to riders in a team that clearly wasn't strong enough. They have certainly been pro-active the last couple of seasons and we are seeing the benefits 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Clegg hasn't progressed enough though. I'm not going to argue that he hasn't progressed because the numbers suggest otherwise, but compare him to Steve Worrall for example over the same time period. It's not even a contest. 2 solid changes for wolves, now a certain play off team although I still don't think they will travel particularly well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 I'm all for backing Brits but Clegg has failed massively so far this season. It's just not worked for him so understand why he's been dropped. Yes we have to back the Brits but Wolves have to try and win too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Clegg hasn't progressed enough though. I'm not going to argue that he hasn't progressed because the numbers suggest otherwise, but compare him to Steve Worrall for example over the same time period. It's not even a contest. 2 solid changes for wolves, now a certain play off team although I still don't think they will travel particularly well Who's comparing him? It's irrelevant who more or less he has progressed in comparison too..... evidence shows he has. Steve was a no hoper 3 pointer for a few years until he had a huge breakthru and has never looked back since. FWIW have never seen the hype over Clegg or the appeal. However even I can argue with the stats that show small and steady progression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Its good that the management have acted as quick as they have instead of hanging on and hoping like they have in the past hopefully the changes will make use stronger and we can pick up some away points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Clegg has been decent in the NL, last year in the EL he was protected somewhat by being a draft rider. however in a lot of meetings early on he only ever did his 3 heats with his 4th going to Howarth and Masters when he dropped into number 6. This season he's been shown up that he's not ready for the top league, he's getting beat at a home track he's ridden at for the best part of 4 years. On the track he still doesn't ride the right lines for monmore. He's struggling at Edinburgh as well, is it the man or is it the machinery ? He needs to get himself a place back in the NL and rebuild himself otherwise his future might not be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJ81 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I'm sure that Max will become a very good speedway rider, he's still only 20 (I think) so time is on his side. He has started slowly and as CVS mentioned hasn't had the confidence boost of the NL to keep things ticking over this year. As mentioned on here several times it was a big jump to be senior reserve and it does strike me as a harsh decision, although I'd admit to being a little biased. Max is too good for the NL, he made the right move this season in concentrating on the top two leagues - it was an absolute pleasure to see him tear through the NL for the last few years and some of his performances last season were as commanding as you will see anywhere but there was no useful purpose in him remaining there this season, the only rider to average more last year was Adam Ellis. I don't believe that anyone could fit him in as it stands so he will have to concentrate on Edinburgh and get things back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Clegg simply can't ride NL & Championship. The rules don't allow him to DU. He has been much poorer this season than last season so something is clearly different and that could be no confidence boosting NL heat wins. Edited April 21, 2017 by Islander15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJ81 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Clegg simply can't ride NL & Championship. The rules don't allow him to DU. He has been much poorer this season than last season so something is clearly different and that could be no confidence boosting NL heat wins. That too! I hadn't realised, thanks for the confirmation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWolves Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Riss will become a very important rider for us this season as unless Greaves improves massively, he will be having 5 rides a meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 He needs to get himself a place back in the NL and rebuild himself otherwise his future might not be there. His average is too high for the NL as you have to start the season with an average under 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Riss will become a very important rider for us this season as unless Greaves improves massively, he will be having 5 rides a meeting It's his first full season in the UK, and currently he's riding at reserve for Edinburgh, so we can't expect too much. The bonus I suppose is that Armadale is similiar to Monmore. Ironically Clegg is in the Edinburgh top 5, but the way he is riding he likely to be replaced by Mark Riss ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It's his first full season in the UK, and currently he's riding at reserve for Edinburgh, so we can't expect too much. The bonus I suppose is that Armadale is similiar to Monmore. Ironically Clegg is in the Edinburgh top 5, but the way he is riding he likely to be replaced by Mark Riss ! Riss is riding a lot better this year for Edinburgh than last year but it's a lot to ask of the guy to hit the ground running in a higher division when he's only just finding his feet in the second tier. He may yet find it harder in the top 5 of a Championship team when ironically Clegg drops down as he could find form fuelled with a confidence boosting heat 2 win most meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Think Schlein will prove to be very good value on his average, assuming he can stay clear of injury. Excited to see what Riss can bring to the table too. By the sounds of it, some his scores for Edinburgh this season have been good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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