outofdarkness Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I guess you meant to say "on the line"? Stupid comment.........yes, their lives are at risk every time they venture onto a track, but they don't do it for "us", they do it for themselves. Think about it, every time you walk out of your front door you are putting your life on the line.........an out of control bus could bowl you over, you could walk into a terrorist attack or you could come face to face with a machete wielding maniac! What ever.How ever way you want to put it they put there lives in danger, period.They don't ride those bikes with no brakes at those speeds for us no.They do it for the love of the sport yes.BUT the fact remains that they entertain us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 When the helmet goes on be it for Lewis Hamilton or Jason Doyle, they are doing it for the money and then the love of the speed and adrenaline. Entertaining the fans is nothing to do with it and while we like to think it is, it's a profession just as a teacher or a bus driver etc and a way of earning a living. It just happens to be more exciting and better hours and pay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Even then ! Erik Gunderson was in essence a gater and very limited from the back. Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOJYMv8RjE and be educated. What a gating tart he was. What a total and utter NEG HEAD you are.I suppose your a world beater in your proffession. Why don't you emigrate and do us all a favour.if you can't support our own lads and be proud of them you don't deserve to call yourself british.These lads put there lives at the line for us.show some RESPECT I personally am very proud of Bomber,Nicholls,Allen,Lee Richardson,Loram etc God bless Lee Richardson RIP Are you taking drugs? Why don't you get yourself down the bookies and put your house on it then. On Wolves not winning the league, I don't bet but if I put a bet a grand on that I'd probably only make a penny. You are forgetting he's a spoon who rates Manzares although no one else does enough said I haven't seen any of Manzares, it was merely a suggestion for your clubs team building that meant Klindt had your management had half a brain and would have signed him that Klindt would have started at reserve. Manzares was 0.01 higher average wise than Klindt going into the current season. If any of the Wolves fans that post here, would prefer the team your management have picked over... Lindgren Manzares ... ... ... Klindt Clegg With the ... spots filled adequately, your are blinded by CVS/Adams loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Whilst you are blinded that others can see the potential of this Wolves team. We get it... you don't rate this Wolves team. Maybe best say it another half dozen times for someone to give a jot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Watch. and be educated. What a gating tart he was. Are you taking drugs? On Wolves not winning the league, I don't bet but if I put a bet a grand on that I'd probably only make a penny. I haven't seen any of Manzares, it was merely a suggestion for your clubs team building that meant Klindt had your management had half a brain and would have signed him that Klindt would have started at reserve. Manzares was 0.01 higher average wise than Klindt going into the current season. If any of the Wolves fans that post here, would prefer the team your management have picked over... Lindgren Manzares ... ... ... Klindt Clegg With the ... spots filled adequately, your are blinded by CVS/Adams loyalty. Whilst you dont seem to get Klindt didnt want to ride for Wolves.. how many times are you going to say it was a mistake etc when he has said he didnt want to ride there!! Edited January 9, 2017 by phillipsr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Baz Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Glad you posted that youtube Col. I don't remember Gundersen as solely a gater and recall him being a racer and coming from the back, but didn't want to send another forum of on a tangent with certain posters starting another argument. I know it's only one race but I now feel that my recollections were not all bad. Edited January 9, 2017 by Pirate Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Glad you posted that youtube Col. I don't remember Gundersen as solely a gater and recall him being a racer and coming from the back, but didn't want to send another forum of on a tangent with certain posters starting another argument. I know it's only one race but I now feel that my recollections were not all bad. Gundersen wasnt just solely a gater but good gaters are the ones that become World Champions. Nielsen to me was a fast gater and didnt do much from the back because he didnt need to, same with TR., same with Hancock I cant remember to many 'racers' becoming world champion with the possible exception of Jan O Pedersen, but even he made 5 perfect starts when he won it, and then maybe Gollob. Mark Loram would never have won a world crown in the old format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOJYMv8RjE and be educated. What a gating tart he was. Are you taking drugs? On Wolves not winning the league, I don't bet but if I put a bet a grand on that I'd probably only make a penny. I haven't seen any of Manzares, it was merely a suggestion for your clubs team building that meant Klindt had your management had half a brain and would have signed him that Klindt would have started at reserve. Manzares was 0.01 higher average wise than Klindt going into the current season. If any of the Wolves fans that post here, would prefer the team your management have picked over... Lindgren Manzares ... ... ... Klindt Clegg With the ... spots filled adequately, your are blinded by CVS/Adams loyalty. As a past sponsor of Klindt and having followed his career very closely I've always stuck up for him where necessary in the past. However, he is very much a confidence rider and if things aren't going well or he doesn't feel comfortable his form can capitulate. Hence, if he gave any indication (which he clearly did) that he wasn't keen on returning to Wolves then the management made the right decision. This really does seem to be something you are unable to get over. Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOJYMv8RjE and be educated. What a gating tart he was. Helped that King basically pulled over for him mind you, leaving him the complete outside (fastest line) wide open. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted January 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Gundersen was a gater without question. The reason he didn't execute many passes was that invariably he was in front. However when he did miss the traps you had the feeling that he wasn't sure what to do, a bit like Correy around the outside I guess. Remember Erik's favourite score in the Olympique? 3,0,3.0.3 Now Jan O Pedersen was the polar opposite. Couldn't gate for toffee but executed some of the best passes I think I've ever seen. I was as happy the day he won the World Title as I was when Sam won his 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Watch. and be educated. What a gating tart he was. Are you taking drugs? On Wolves not winning the league, I don't bet but if I put a bet a grand on that I'd probably only make a penny. I haven't seen any of Manzares, it was merely a suggestion for your clubs team building that meant Klindt had your management had half a brain and would have signed him that Klindt would have started at reserve. Manzares was 0.01 higher average wise than Klindt going into the current season. If any of the Wolves fans that post here, would prefer the team your management have picked over... Lindgren Manzares ... ... ... Klindt Clegg With the ... spots filled adequately, your are blinded by CVS/Adams loyalty. So let's get this right, you haven't seen Manzaries but have picked him solely because of his average? He was 4th in American Championships so at best the 5 th best as there was no Big Cheater riding, First set of averages then he would be at reserve on a low average because he is not good enough which would leave us little scope to replace him...yea right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) When the helmet goes on be it for Lewis Hamilton or Jason Doyle, they are doing it for the money and then the love of the speed and adrenaline. Entertaining the fans is nothing to do with it and while we like to think it is, it's a profession just as a teacher or a bus driver etc and a way of earning a living. It just happens to be more exciting and better hours and pay Very much doubt a gifted sport persons ambition is primarily driven by money. Thereafter I guess the opportunities can change dependant on progress. I don't see any comparison with life as teacher or bus driver. There's a huge difference between those that do their day to day job v making a living from your hobby. Def more exciting but not sure I would like the hours. Edited January 10, 2017 by Hodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) So let's get this right, you haven't seen Manzaries but have picked him solely because of his average? He was 4th in American Championships so at best the 5 th best as there was no Big Cheater riding, First set of averages then he would be at reserve on a low average because he is not good enough which would leave us little scope to replace him...yea right Err, yep. Get Klindt to reserve for the first 5 matches. Manzares averaged 5.4 in the PL a season ago. Putting him at 2 wouldn't be a disaster, Americans do well at Monmore and some of the reserves next years are going to be very weak. If you'd filled the other spots available with Manzares @ 2, Klindt @ 6 & Clegg @ 7, you would have a better team than you've ended up with. What a total and utter NEG HEAD you are.I suppose your a world beater in your proffession. Why don't you emigrate and do us all a favour.if you can't support our own lads and be proud of them you don't deserve to call yourself british.These lads put there lives at the line for us.show some RESPECT I personally am very proud of Bomber,Nicholls,Allen,Lee Richardson,Loram etc God bless Lee Richardson RIP Did I even mention Richardson? I said Harris, Howe, Allen & Stead under achieved. idiot off. Even then ! Erik Gunderson was in essence a gater and very limited from the back. Still achieved top spot. From a Wolves perspective one of the best ever spoons riders was Jan o Petersen, fantastic to watch and superb from the back, and couldn't gate at all. Yet his 1 world title was 5 gates. Go figure. Just watch the gating tart in action.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOJYMv8RjE Ronnie Correy couldn't have done that. Edited January 12, 2017 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Gundersen wasnt just solely a gater but good gaters are the ones that become World Champions. Nielsen to me was a fast gater and didnt do much from the back because he didnt need to, same with TR., same with Hancock I cant remember to many 'racers' becoming world champion with the possible exception of Jan O Pedersen, but even he made 5 perfect starts when he won it, and then maybe Gollob. Mark Loram would never have won a world crown in the old format. Peter Collins was also a racer who became world champ.Would put nielsen and t rick in a different category to Hancock. Hancock is primarily a gaters. Nielsen and in particular t rick could be superb from the back. But as you mention, they rarely needed to do so. On his world final debut though t rick did most of his work from the back, in a meeting Jan o did his stuff from the front. I'd say eric was more in the Hancock mould though he could pass if he needed to - remwmber he also won the 85 world pairs for denmark bombing outside carter in the wet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Err, yep. Get Klindt to reserve for the first 5 matches. Manzares averaged 5.4 in the PL a season ago. Putting him at 2 wouldn't be a disaster, Americans do well at Monmore and some of the reserves next years are going to be very weak. If you'd filled the other spots available with Manzares @ 2, Klindt @ 6 & Clegg @ 7, you would have a better team than you've ended up with. Did I even mention Richardson? I said Harris, Howe, Allen & Stead under achieved. idiot off. Just watch the gating tart in action.... Ronnie Correy couldn't have done that.You dont get it do you Klindt didnt want to ride for Wolves.Manzares isnt good enough for reserve let alone second string. Why hasnt he got even a PL place. Wolves are better team without him. Edited January 12, 2017 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 If you'd filled the other spots available with Manzares @ 2, Klindt @ 6 & Clegg @ 7, you would have a better team than you've ended up with. in your opinion and not shared by many. You have repeated this about 6 times already and others (not just me) point out you are wrong. You dont get it do you Klindt didnt want to ride for Wolves.Manzares isnt good enough for reserve let alone second string. Why hasnt he got even a PL place. Wolves are better team without him. Sadly Col appears to be in a small club of people that believe if they say the same thing often enough it might be true. Besides Shovlar (who always rates Wolves teams poor in any season) most posts I've read seem to rate Wolves as one of the better teams on paper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outofdarkness Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Err, yep. Get Klindt to reserve for the first 5 matches. Manzares averaged 5.4 in the PL a season ago. Putting him at 2 wouldn't be a disaster, Americans do well at Monmore and some Did I even mention Richardson? I said Harris, Howe, Allen & Stead under achieved. idiot off. Oh dear oh dear.....someone previously said you were a spoon .i now know they were wrong .....your worse than that. You knocked our BRITISH riders in the Harris,Nicholls,Allen eara.Well Lee was around at that time was he or was he not.So going on your statement you were saying all our British riders were no good. I suggest you should think before opening your mouth or better still go else where and voice your opinions......preferably somewhere remote and away from genuine,passionate speedway fans . As regards to Klindt SHUT UP.No ones interested in your opinions because all we keep hearing from you is the same verbal diarrhoea slopping out of your rather large self opinionated gob. Edited January 12, 2017 by outofdarkness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Unfortunately...Spoons will be Spoons...it`s in their DNA 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just watch the gating tart in action.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOJYMv8RjE Ronnie Correy couldn't have done that. Again, poor example. There was little skill required for that, the fastest line was the outside, King moved over towards the inside meaning Gundersen could just ride his normal line. Meanwhile, here's Ronnie Correy passing around the outside.. go to the 18:00 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMa75U8CpsQ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Watch. and be educated. What a gating tart he was. . Without opening the link I knew it would be Odsal 85 and the double pass. The pass where he hit the dirt line by accident and it nearly flung him off but he kept it on and it gave him the drive to get past. Had he not hit that line of dirt and had the reaction it had, he would have been behind them all the way. He even admitted later it caught him by suprise and jolted him forward Very much doubt a gifted sport persons ambition is primarily driven by money. Thereafter I guess the opportunities can change dependant on progress. I don't see any comparison with life as teacher or bus driver. There's a huge difference between those that do their day to day job v making a living from your hobby. Def more exciting but not sure I would like the hours. It's not a hobby for these riders, it's a job just as a teacher, driver, bin man etc etc The pay is the main reason and the rest follows otherwise it would be a hobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's not a hobby for these riders, it's a job just as a teacher, driver, bin man etc etc The pay is the main reason and the rest follows otherwise it would be a hobby Completely disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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