Steve Shovlar Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just because it didn't help Poole win last season doesn't mean reserves are not vital but they can't do it on their own! Wolves top 3 are strong but Newman massively outscored Howarth in the play offs and although his average is lower on a head to head he is stronger, Jack Holder is a terrific young improving rider against a rider who should maintain his average but i will be shocked if young Jack doesn't put at least a point on his average, so overall Poole's top 5 are at least as strong as Wolves. Pooles top two are stronger than Wolves, Wolves third heat leader stronger than Pooles, I think Kurtz and Newman have the edge over Howarth and Skornicki, and Klindt has the edge over Clegg. Our number 7's are of equal strength. Where Poole have the advantage is that Holder, and Kurtz have improvement in them. I just don't see any improvement in Skornicki. Howarth hasn't improved very much in the last couple of seasons. As for Gavans comments you quoted, well how ridiculous. So all those points Poole's reserves scored in the playoffs don't count because we lost? Reserves points in 2017 are just as vital as any other year. If the reserves fail to score you have at least 6 heats where you are not going to get any heat advantage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outofdarkness Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Steve Shovlar quoted the following. ... IMO Wolves won't be challenging unless Clegg has a leap forward in ability. The other reserve is just making up the numbers. Why leap forward in ability. ......the lad has potential and ability .he needs experience and going on last season imh opinion he got better as the season went on.Although not the strongest reserve i feel he should do ok Edited December 28, 2016 by outofdarkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Steve Shovlar quoted the following. ... IMO Wolves won't be challenging unless Clegg has a leap forward in ability. The other reserve is just making up the numbers. Why leap forward in ability. ......the lad has potential and ability .he needs experience and going on last season imh opinion he got better as the season went on.Although not the strongest reserve i feel he should do ok As a Brit it would be good for him to progress. But as he is the main reserve he has to do well. He has no real back up, the same as Klindt at Poole. Both Shanes and Greaves will find it extremely tough and any points scored a bonus. Edited December 28, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Pooles top two are stronger than Wolves, Wolves third heat leader stronger than Pooles, I think Kurtz and Newman have the edge over Howarth and Skornicki, and Klindt has the edge over Clegg. Our number 7's are of equal strength. Where Poole have the advantage is that Holder, and Kurtz have improvement in them. I just don't see any improvement in Skornicki. Howarth hasn't improved very much in the last couple of seasons. As for Gavans comments you quoted, well how ridiculous. So all those points Poole's reserves scored in the playoffs don't count because we lost? Reserves points in 2017 are just as vital as any other year. If the reserves fail to score you have at least 6 heats where you are not going to get any heat advantage! Lindgren > Kasprzak, just. Debatable. Thorsell has allot more scope to improve than the spent force Andersen, who was outstanding at the start of last year but was rubbish then injured towards the end. Masters, you have failed to mention alongside his Poole counterpart. Kurtz? Who was unable to even complete a lap at Monmore Green? Newman & Holder will be better than Skornicki & Howarth, hands down. Klindt > Clegg. Wolves should never have put such pressure on Clegg being the top reserve. Meh.. I don't know the two #7's at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lindgren > Kasprzak, just. Debatable. Thorsell has allot more scope to improve than the spent force Andersen, who was outstanding at the start of last year but was rubbish then injured towards the end. Masters, you have failed to mention alongside his Poole counterpart. Kurtz? Who was unable to even complete a lap at Monmore Green? Newman & Holder will be better than Skornicki & Howarth, hands down. Klindt > Clegg. Wolves should never have put such pressure on Clegg being the top reserve. Meh.. I don't know the two #7's at all. I will grant you Thorsell is improving but it wouldnt surprise me if Jack Holder was a heat leader fairly soon. Hans is not a spent force although not as good as he was. Kasprzak is better than Lindgren but not at Monmore where he usually struggles. Thorsell is a improving rider and could have the edge on Hans and Masters is at the moment better than whoever is our third heatleader. Poole's second strings are stronger and balances it out, Klindt at reserve means overall we are stronger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I can see Poole getting a bigger beating at Monmore than Wolves do at Poole therefore I would fancy Wolves over 2 legs. KK struggles at Wolves as does Kurtz. Jack Holder I would assume would hate the place. Andersen can be good or poor same for Klindt and Shanes is better on the big tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 An awful lot of pressure being put on young Holder by Poole fans, let's hope for their sake he can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I can see Poole getting a bigger beating at Monmore than Wolves do at Poole therefore I would fancy Wolves over 2 legs. KK struggles at Wolves as does Kurtz. Jack Holder I would assume would hate the place. Andersen can be good or poor same for Klindt and Shanes is better on the big tracks Kurtz struggled in the play off at Monmore but was ok in the league meeting, i don't think he has a problem with the track, we don't really know if Jack will struggle like his brother used to. An awful lot of pressure being put on young Holder by Poole fans, let's hope for their sake he can handle it. That is because we have seen him ride and think he has a lot of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) Leicester have had good reserves for last 2 years and finished stone last. We all know that to have a successful team its all about balance you have to have a rider that can do his job in all the riding positions and as we all know from the last 2 seasons Leicester got it very wrong apart from the reserves.Perhaps the fact that Leicesters number 1 is now Pooles reserve next year explains why they got the rest of the team very wrong. I know Poole have got him on his Prem league average but the truth is any team that has Klindt as there best averaging rider is not going to do very well is it. Edited December 29, 2016 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Meh.. I don't know the two #7's at all. You didn't know that Freddie had won a GP so your speedway knowledge is a little flawed these days. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 An awful lot of pressure being put on young Holder by Poole fans, let's hope for their sake he can handle it. I think too much, it would be sensible to see how he copes in the Premier League before all this hype. As for him and Brady being the next turbo twins well that is very optimistic at this time in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I think too much, it would be sensible to see how he copes in the Premier League before all this hype. As for him and Brady being the next turbo twins well that is very optimistic at this time in their careers. Yes i agree there is a lot of preasure on Jack the Poole fans seem to expect big things time will tell but the figures tell us that in 2015 jack ended on a Prem average of 7.10 and 7.16 in 2016 not a massive improvement. Kurtz moved up last year on a Prem average of 8.73 and achived an average of 7.65 in his short stint in the Prem league this year so the averages say that Kurtz is the better rider at the momment.But as we know Kurtz did nowhere near what people thought he would do in last years Elite league.So Pooles season could depend very much on how these two perform next year and at this time the jury says who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Kurtz struggled in the play off at Monmore but was ok in the league meeting, i don't think he has a problem with the track, we don't really know if Jack will struggle like his brother used to. That is because we have seen him ride and think he has a lot of potential. Nobody had more potential then Robert Lambert. In the three years in the Elite league we have seen him steadily improve but this did not happen straight away. I also think young Holder has a lot of potential but to expect it with immediate effect I think is very harsh and puts too much responsibility for someone of that experience. Kurtz did OK last year and will, I imagine, go better this year. But listening to some of the punters on here success is guaranteed to every one with potential. Life is not like that... I hope Holder and Kurtz are given the time to develop their skills and not over pressurised to get immediate results..... Poole are not known as a club to wait for success, they want it straight away..... Only time will tell....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) Nobody had more potential then Robert Lambert. In the three years in the Elite league we have seen him steadily improve but this did not happen straight away. I also think young Holder has a lot of potential but to expect it with immediate effect I think is very harsh and puts too much responsibility for someone of that experience. Kurtz did OK last year and will, I imagine, go better this year. But listening to some of the punters on here success is guaranteed to every one with potential. Life is not like that... I hope Holder and Kurtz are given the time to develop their skills and not over pressurised to get immediate results..... Poole are not known as a club to wait for success, they want it straight away..... Only time will tell....... Spot on. Last season we were hearing how good Kurtz was going to be and he never lived up to it. Now we are hearing the same thing about Holder and the same could easily happen again. Anyway back to Wolves and its a 1-7 that will easily qualify for the play offs despite Shovlars usual guff. They would also be favourites over Poole over 2 legs in my eyes due to how the Poole boys go at Monmore. KK last season got only 5 points from 4 rides and ran 2 lasts showing his usual lack of interest. In fact if you look at the last scores of the Poole boys , KK 5 , Kurtz 0 (and only 6 from reserve), Klindt 0 (from number 5) Newman 14 (from reserve) and Hans 13. Add in 2 riders who have never seen the place and prefer bigger track then is obvious Poole will struggle at Monmore. Poole will be favourites for the league but i would fancy them over 2 legs against Kings Lynn more than Wolves Edited December 30, 2016 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Spot on. Last season we were hearing how good Kurtz was going to be and he never lived up to it. Now we are hearing the same thing about Holder and the same could easily happen again. Anyway back to Wolves and its a 1-7 that will easily qualify for the play offs despite Shovlars usual guff. They would also be favourites over Poole over 2 legs in my eyes due to how the Poole boys go at Monmore. KK last season got only 5 points from 4 rides and ran 2 lasts showing his usual lack of interest. In fact if you look at the last scores of the Poole boys , KK 5 , Kurtz 0 (and only 6 from reserve), Klindt 0 (from number 5) Newman 14 (from reserve) and Hans 13. Add in 2 riders who have never seen the place and prefer bigger track then is obvious Poole will struggle at Monmore. Poole will be favourites for the league but i would fancy them over 2 legs against Kings Lynn more than Wolves Never said Kurtz was the next superstar, in fact i believe i said he would let us down at crucial times and unfortunately i was proved to be correct. Maybe too much is being put on young Jack Holder but i have no doubt in my mind he will surpass anything Brady Kurtz achieves in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) Never said Kurtz was the next superstar, in fact i believe i said he would let us down at crucial times and unfortunately i was proved to be correct. Maybe too much is being put on young Jack Holder but i have no doubt in my mind he will surpass anything Brady Kurtz achieves in the sport. For your first point mate. Many of us said that last season was a learning curve for Brady, and yet still to many expected to much of Brady. And yes many times have i said Jack will be the better rider, eventually. Kurtz did OK last year and will, I imagine, go better this year. But listening to some of the punters on here success is guaranteed to every one with potential. Life is not like that... I hope Holder and Kurtz are given the time to develop their skills and not over pressurised to get immediate results..... Spot on mate. Edited December 30, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted December 30, 2016 Report Share Posted December 30, 2016 Find it amusing to read that so many think Brady was poor last season...don't buy it for one bit , yes he was found wanting in the playoffs but generally had a decent debut hello people debut EL season, if young Jack averages similar then he will probably get the red carpet treatment , some Poole fans treat Kurtz as a weak link or a bit like marmite hells teeth I would have had him over anyone at Swindon bar Doyley this season coming!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boffy Posted December 31, 2016 Report Share Posted December 31, 2016 This Poole thread is getting silly.....(sarcasm) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWolves Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Do Poole fans post like this on every team's thread or is it just Wolves that worry them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Don't come on here as much now but it's good to look in and see how the southern team's are getting on during the winter months Not much difference between Wolves and Poole apart from Masters a much better heat leader than Kurtz but Poole much stronger at reserve as Shames won't be far off Clegg but having a strong reserve in Klindt is their big advantage Not much use though if the top end is dropping points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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