Wolves 2017

[foreverblue]

 

Lindgen, yes. Best value #1 in the league on that average.

Not Howarth. Who should have been the best reserve in the league last year. But wasn't.

Not Skornicki. Who hasn't sat o a bike for 2 years.

Masters or Throsell, yes, but not both.

Clegg, yes. as a #7 not a #6.

Greaves, no. But I hope he proves me wrong.

 

Because Wolves 3rd signing after Lindgren & Clegg should have been Klindt. Manzares meant Klindt started the season at reserve, since Manzares was 0.01 higher averaged. Wolves should have given Manzares as long as it took for the first averages to come out to prove himself. If he hadn't before Klindt moved into the main body and before Manzares got a new average they could have re-declared.

Are you a politician? You haven't answered the question!! You have only said who you don't want if Klindt is an option, no point going on about a rider you can't have.

Skornicki on the average his is coming in on could be a bargain.

Edited December 24, 2016 by foreverblue

[Steve Shovlar]

Don't tell Col or Shovlar.

You don't have to tell me. I have my own opinion. You clearly think Wolverhampton are strong enough to win the title. With this lineup I personally don't think they will come close with this 1-7.

 

It's about opinion, though I believe if you take out your emotional attachment to your club you would make a similar appraisal.

[foreverblue]

 

Lindgen, yes. Best value #1 in the league on that average.

Not Howarth. Who should have been the best reserve in the league last year. But wasn't.

Not Skornicki. Who hasn't sat o a bike for 2 years.

Masters or Throsell, yes, but not both.

Clegg, yes. as a #7 not a #6.

Greaves, no. But I hope he proves me wrong.

 

Because Wolves 3rd signing after Lindgren & Clegg should have been Klindt. Manzares meant Klindt started the season at reserve, since Manzares was 0.01 higher averaged. Wolves should have given Manzares as long as it took for the first averages to come out to prove himself. If he hadn't before Klindt moved into the main body and before Manzares got a new average they could have re-declared.

But Manzares isn't good enough. They haven't got Klindt because he decided to ride elsewhere not Wolves fault. Why don't you tell us who you would want without a Klindt option.

Edited December 24, 2016 by foreverblue

[stevebrum]

You don't have to tell me. I have my own opinion. You clearly think Wolverhampton are strong enough to win the title. With this lineup I personally don't think they will come close with this 1-7.

It's about opinion, though I believe if you take out your emotional attachment to your club you would make a similar appraisal.

Yes we know your opinion Steve, you keep telling us.

Just ignore it when others says the same thing tho won't you.

As for the comment on emotional attachment you are a fine one to talk!

We have put out line ups I haven't been impressed with and said so in the past.

In a much weakened league when a team can retain 5 of its title winning side it would be crazy to not consider them a strong side.

Just my opinion of course.

Poole always have a decent side and whilst on paper you look strong there are more question marks over your assembled side than most which makes any Poole fan being ultra confident potentially set for a much bigger fall.

There are consistency issues over virtually every rider.

KK and Hans strong on paper - a tendency to go missing when suits.

Brady - was a big let down at the most important part of the season. 2nd season syndrome?

Jack -highly rated, unknown in the highest league.

Newman - won't be scoring big points in the main team like he usually does, a drop to reserve would be good for Poole but not for his career.

Klindt - the most in demand rider yet the most unpredictable rider from race to race.

Shanes- nothing to prove with one strong reserve all season long.

 

In short, I'm more happy with our assembled 1-7 over the Poole side.

Edited December 24, 2016 by stevebrum

[B.V 72]

Anyone can put a great team together on paper the hard bit for promoters is getting all the riders they want to sign on the dotted line.If a few offers are on the table a rider will choose the team he wants to ride for leaving the other promoters to have a re think and having to sign a rider who is perhaps their 2nd choice.It could have a knock on effect and not getting one rider they want could change the whole line up of the team they had first planned.

 

Soz forgot to quote in response to Cols post #1100

Edited December 24, 2016 by B.V 72

[Gavan]

You don't have to tell me. I have my own opinion. You clearly think Wolverhampton are strong enough to win the title. With this lineup I personally don't think they will come close with this 1-7.

 

It's about opinion, though I believe if you take out your emotional attachment to your club you would make a similar appraisal.

Your right it is all about opinion and im not a Wolves fan but even Stevie Wonder can see that a side keeping 5 of its title winning side has every chance of being up there again. How you can talk about 'emotional attachment' is so hypocritical. You never ever have a bad word to say about Poole or the riders (oh unless you have a league meeting coming up where you always reckon it will be close)

Yes we know your opinion Steve, you keep telling us.

Just ignore it when others says the same thing tho won't you.

As for the comment on emotional attachment you are a fine one to talk!

We have put out line ups I haven't been impressed with and said so in the past.

In a much weakened league when a team can retain 5 of its title winning side it would be crazy to not consider them a strong side.

Just my opinion of course.

Poole always have a decent side and whilst on paper you look strong there are more question marks over your assembled side than most which makes any Poole fan being ultra confident potentially set for a much bigger fall.

There are consistency issues over virtually every rider.

KK and Hans strong on paper - a tendency to go missing when suits.

Brady - was a big let down at the most important part of the season. 2nd season syndrome?

Jack -highly rated, unknown in the highest league.

Newman - won't be scoring big points in the main team like he usually does, a drop to reserve would be good for Poole but not for his career.

Klindt - the most in demand rider yet the most unpredictable rider from race to race.

Shanes- nothing to prove with one strong reserve all season long.

 

In short, I'm more happy with our assembled 1-7 over the Poole side.

Think your summing up of the Poole riders is spot on but of course the lord Shovlar will not agree with any of it.

 

Poole again look the strongest side like they did last season. But as we all know they choked when in mattered with riders going missing, maybe due to a lack of motivation from Middlo, but something went wrong. They will be favourites again this year and could bottle it again. Lets be fair at the start of last season the gulf between the 2 sides (Poole and Wolves) was seen as bigger then it is this season.

[Fourentee]

You don't have to tell me. I have my own opinion. You clearly think Wolverhampton are strong enough to win the title. With this lineup I personally don't think they will come close with this 1-7.

 

It's about opinion, though I believe if you take out your emotional attachment to your club you would make a similar appraisal.

You were going well until the last paragraph. It's precisely that emotional attachment that repeatedly colours your opinion of the Poole line-up, year after year. Of course, more seasons than not Poole put a strong side into the fray. But I don't ever recall you expressing an iota of dissatisfaction with the selection before tapes up (though stand to be corrected!).

[Gavan]

You were going well until the last paragraph. It's precisely that emotional attachment that repeatedly colours your opinion of the Poole line-up, year after year. Of course, more seasons than not Poole put a strong side into the fray. But I don't ever recall you expressing an iota of dissatisfaction with the selection before tapes up (though stand to be corrected!).

Same as i pointed out. Not once has there been any opinion on a Poole rider that could ever be described as negative its always how good they are.

 

Kurtz is a risk as much a Skornicki.

Howarth could prove to be a better second string than Newman

Holder is a weak third heat leader but granted could improve and hope he does.

Hans is on the decline and could have a poor season, same could be said for Lindgren.

Klindt could be anything and yes Wolves look weak at reserve.

 

Just once you may see a statement from Shovlar that does more than just praise the 1-7 however good it looks on paper

[Gavan]

1. FL - No brainer

2. Howarth - In a weaker league Kyle could do ok.

3. Masters - Good signing

4. Skornicki - Poor signing 2 years absence should have signed someone else.

5. Thorssell - Good signing (I rate Thorssell)

6. Clegg - Would be a decent No.7 but not No.6. No problems around Monmore but elsewhere not very good.

7. Greaves - Awful signing. 2.32 PL average this season also couldnt stay on his bike in his last top flight season.

 

 

Overall

 

Strong top 3.

 

Ok at second string. Not good but not poor

 

Reserves are far too weak.

 

 

You should of sacrificed Skornicki and Greaves for Ayres and Palovaara.

For once a half decent post.

 

Wolves stronger than Poole in the heat leader department.

Skornicki is a risk but so to is Kurtz and there is nothing between the 2 Kyles.

But yes Wolves lack at reserve.

 

I disagree totally with the Ayres and Palovaara statement no way will Palovaara get anywhere near Skornicki's average especially at home

[stevebrum]

You should of sacrificed Skornicki and Greaves for Ayres and Palovaara.

Whilst the rest of your post is remarkably fair that suggestion would make us even worse.

Palovaara will no way match anything Adam is likely to do (I reckon Adam will get about 6 point average season end - quote me on that if you want) whilst Ayres is all entertainment just lacking in points ability at this level. A slight step up from Greaves who I agree is weak but has several similar ability/standard riders to race against at number 7.

[outofdarkness]

And the team that made them look 2nd best in October.

But they very quickly forget that or blame it on injuries rather than facts

[Wolfsbane]

You don't have to tell me. I have my own opinion. You clearly think Wolverhampton are strong enough to win the title. With this lineup I personally don't think they will come close with this 1-7.

 

It's about opinion, though I believe if you take out your emotional attachment to your club you would make a similar appraisal.

That's a great idea, if you trial it yourself the rest of us will keep an eye out to see how you get on.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Wolfsbane

[outofdarkness]

Whilst the rest of your post is remarkably fair that suggestion would make us even worse.

Palovaara will no way match anything Adam is likely to do (I reckon Adam will get about 6 point average season end - quote me on that if you want) whilst Ayres is all entertainment just lacking in points ability at this level. A slight step up from Greaves who I agree is weak but has several similar ability/standard riders to race against at number 7.

To be fair and honest i know very little about Greaves,but is he not only 18,is he not just finding his feet.Who knows how he will fair.There's one thing for sure there's plenty of experience in our line up especially Fred and Adam who could well give the young lad a helping hand and bring him on.So yes he appears to be a weak starter but what about Potential.Lets hope Steve he proves a few points to the knockers from poole Edited December 24, 2016 by outofdarkness

[Starman2006]

Just got home and on the way i saw a Parrys International coach going round a roundabout. Bit tad early arn't you..

[Wolfsbane]

 

Wolves are stronger than Poole in the HL department I agree.

 

Agree about the Kyle's as well. Howarth is always a consistent performer in the PL so next years format will not be a problem for him.

 

Agree again that Palovaara wouldn't get near Skornicki's average at home but my logic was to get a stronger reserve than Greaves. Ayres is a Cradley rider in 2017.

 

 

 

 

Skornicki will always score well around Monmore. But my logic as stated above was to get a stronger reserve than Greaves.

 

All joking aside their isn't anything wrong with the top 5 (Just as good as anyone else's). Just the reserves who are the problem.

 

Greaves wont last long imo. I can see Ayres or Perry (Both Cradley riders in 2017) replacing Greaves at some point.

It's likely to be rider hokey cokey with all of the 2 pointers despite what the promoters who have them in their sides say now.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Wolfsbane

[Tommy Sweetman]

To be fair and honest i know very little about Greaves,but is he not only 18,is he not just finding his feet.Who knows how he will fair.There's one thing for sure there's plenty of experience in our line up especially Fred and Adam who could well give the young lad a helping hand and bring him on.So yes he appears to be a weak starter but what about Potential.Lets hope Steve he proves a few points to the knockers from poole

He,s got Sudden Sam in his one ear,Fred and Sqora in the other,all hes got to do now is stay on his bike.

[Wolfsbane]

He,s got Sudden Sam in his one ear,Fred and Sqora in the other,all hes got to do now is stay on his bike.

Sam may not be the best person to give him advice on that one

[Fourentee]

Agree again that Palovaara wouldn't get near Skornicki's average at home but my logic was to get a stronger reserve than Greaves. Ayres is a Cradley rider in 2017.

I see where you're going, but IMHO you're getting perilously close to Col's way of thinking -- picking a rider (in his case Manzares to put Klindt at reserve)-- more on the basis of the numbers and its effect on the team order rather than the actual ability of the man in question.

For the record, I am continuing to use my one and only account of some 10 years' standing -- a point I feel constrained to make in response to your earlier inaccurate and offensive assertion.

[Bagpuss]

Skornicki will be fine and he'll score plenty of points.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Gordon Bennett

[SCB]

You talk absolute tosh at times! By the end of the season the difference between Joonas average and Tai's was 0.3 hardly earth shattering!

Last 10 meetings, with or without bonus points see Woffinden over 2 points better than Joonas Kylmakorpi. 2 points is two more for you and two less for the opposition plus 0.25 of a point in heat 15 more and less. That's a 4.5 swing per meetings so a 9 point swing over two legs.

 

http://speedway-stats.co.uk/RiderForm/15/2016/1