Wolves 2017

[Gavan]

 

Wolves would have made the playoffs with or without the change.

 

Then, in the playoffs itself, Woffinden scored 7+1 from 5 rides... riding as a second string at Poole. Kylmo scored 10+1 as a heat leader there in the league match he rode.

 

Woffy then scored 13+1 from five in the 2nd leg, again as a second string. Given the opposition that night, it's unlikely Kylmo would have scored many less if at all.

 

In the final, Woffy scored 8+2 from 4 at home from second string and 11 (9 without the double pts) from 4 in the away leg, again from second string.

 

Let's not forget Wolves won the final by 10pts.

 

So, in terms of contribution on track there really wasn't much in it.

 

Where we did benefit was PK riding on Woffy's engine at Belle Vue and the psychological factor.

 

Nothing to suggest though that Wolves wouldn't have won the playoffs without the change, the best that can be argued is that it may have been a little harder.

 

I pointed out the scores earlier on the thread.

 

The thing is it is easier for the deluded to say that Wolves won the league due to Tai when quite clearly it was far from the truth

[waiheke1]

why 15 matches v 10 matches sounds like your distorting the figures to suit your argument added to the fact that Kylmo got zero after he was sacked.

because it is how many meetings each rider rode in 2016? What other basis would u have used?

[quote name="Gavan" post="2899848"

So Joonas ended up on 6.68 and Tai 7.03??

 

Surely you can see that rolling averages are irrelevant, it is 2016 averages that matter, and there was a significant difference.

Not saying that wolves would not have won without woffy. And in any case they were deserving champs.

But it's bizarre to argue that he wasn't a factor.

[foreverblue]

because it is how many meetings each rider rode in 2016? What other basis would u have used?

 

Surely you can see that rolling averages are irrelevant, it is 2016 averages that matter, and there was a significant difference.

Not saying that wolves would not have won without woffy. And in any case they were deserving champs.

But it's bizarre to argue that he wasn't a factor.

 

because it is how many meetings each rider rode in 2016? What other basis would u have used?

 

Surely you can see that rolling averages are irrelevant, it is 2016 averages that matter, and there was a significant difference.

Not saying that wolves would not have won without woffy. And in any case they were deserving champs.

But it's bizarre to argue that he wasn't a factor.

The zero score after Kylmo got sacked distorts the averages, Don't think i mentioned rolling averages. To get a true reflection you have to look at home and away against Poole and Belle Vue meetings when Joonas was riding and compare to what Woffy scored and there isn't much in it.

Edited December 21, 2016 by foreverblue

[alkadera]

If Joonas hadn't been replaced then we probably wouldn't have lost at home to Belle Vue thereby changing the playoffs as well

[BWitcher]

Would u have won the final were PK not on woffys bike at belle vue? The final was closer than the eventual 10 point margin, and certainly a 2 or 4 point swing could have been all that was needed for there to be a different outcome over the final heats.

 

We don't know.. Woffy wasn't exactly unbeatable that night on his 'best' engine was he?

 

PK had a similar return in the league meeting at Belle Vue on his own equipment.

[outofdarkness]

Perhaps outofdarkness was commenting on your cogent and reasoned analysis of Nathan Greaves' prospects?

Absolutely. Thank you.obviously he finds plain English a little hard to grasp and understand 😉

forget it steve,its only speedway there are far more important things in the world,however to sum up the play offs we were rubbish, deserved nothing and got nothing,end of

Well said......nice to hear a true Poole fan been honest.You are much more thought of and respected by other fans when someone is able to be honest and not talking out of there bottom lol

Respect to your quote of honesty

Wolves won due to a certain part time Australian's GP bid going up in smoke which resulted in him using British Speedway a bit more and us being hampered by injuries

 

Anyway wont be the same story next season as Wolves will struggle to make the Play-Offs enjoy it while it lasts peeps.

You really don't like loosing do you.

Your like the kid in the playground who has to win the battle by what ever means....Grow up.You lost.Get over it and move on.It's a new season soon and let the battle commence.Who ever wins ...wins.

[Fourentee]

 

Oh. Well nobody rates him so.

 

Look on the Sheffield thread.

 

Thanks, I just did. Among a string of posts commenting favourably on the line-up there is one negative comment about Greaves and one observation that he did not kick on much from the previous season.

If you want to have a pop at a rider off your own bat, fine. If you want to make spurious assertions and then attempt to cover your back by referring to other posts then perhaps you should read them first.

Oh, and happy Christmas.

[waiheke1]

 

We don't know.. Woffy wasn't exactly unbeatable that night on his 'best' engine was he?

 

PK had a similar return in the league meeting at Belle Vue on his own equipment.

Exactly - we don't know. Would wolves have won without woffy. Personally i think it strengthened wolves, and certainly gave them a psychological boost. But they were quite capable of winning with joonas. So maybe yes, maybe no. We can debate all we like, but end of the day wolves were deserving champs.

[waiheke1]

 

The zero score after Kylmo got sacked distorts the averages, Don't think i mentioned rolling averages. To get a true reflection you have to look at home and away against Poole and Belle Vue meetings when Joonas was riding and compare to what Woffy scored and there isn't much in it.

The comment re rolling averages was directed to gavan, something went wrong in my quoting of him so this wasn't obvious.

[Col]

Who can say, Woffinden was far from unbeatable during the play-offs or previous meetings. But the change seemed to inspire Wolves, give them more belief. Lindgren's form certainly picked up once Woffinden was reintroduced. He had had a very bad previous month. Let's not forget that Thorsell & Masters were pretty useless away from Monmore in the final. PK was Wolves standout performer that night aside from Lindgren, not Woffinden.

[Tommy Sweetman]

 

We don't know.. Woffy wasn't exactly unbeatable that night on his 'best' engine was he?

 

PK had a similar return in the league meeting at Belle Vue on his own equipment.

One also has to remember the contribution Kyle Howarth made in the final few meetings where he had a couple of 12 point scores including top scoring in the home leg final.

 

Has well as helping out PK,didnt Woffinden also sell an engine to Kyle for use in the last few matches.

 

So really,Woffy probably had as much impact off the track,than his scores on it.

 

 

 

Think to many people,are writing off Howarth at their own peril for next season.

[B.V 72]

What a waist of money then if Woffy made no difference.

[dj350z]

What a waist of money then if Woffy made no difference.

 

Not necessarily, crowds might have increased due to his inclusion in the team.

[B.V 72]

 

Not necessarily, crowds might have increased due to his inclusion in the team.

Fair point.

[New Science]

 

Not necessarily, crowds might have increased due to his inclusion in the team.

They didn't that much

[BWitcher]

They didn't that much

 

Really?

 

His debut against Lakeside is reported as one of the biggest gates of the season.

[DJWolves]

All the riders that scored well for Wolves in the final made a difference

 

Just as did the sensational 5 points coming from superstar Zagar at Monmore, not to mention the memorable point that Fricke got that night too. And Scott Nicholls three points in their home leg was also a factor. Maybe Zagar should have helped his team by loaning his bike to someone that would have ridden it a little faster round Monmore?

 

Over the two legs one team rode better than the other from what I remember

[Beowulf]

2017.

 

Reserves poor. Skornicki will struggle. Howarth was hit and miss as a reserve last season.

 

Overall average team might nick 4th spot if lucky.

 

 

Nothing wrong with our team at Poole.

There was nothing wrong with your team last year and you failed to get past the sem-finals.

[stevebrum]

And beaten by the better team.

[Gavan]

Wasn't Poole in the Semi's

 

More like EL Select

oh do you mean the first leg where you had a world class rider replacing an out of form Andersen...........or the second leg when your number 1 failed to win a race and 2 of your own riders bottled it?? Poor poor loser