Steve Shovlar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Not sure woffinden made that much difference, didn't pull up any trees on his home track. It goes further than points scored on the track. As a world champion is raises the other team members scores up as well. I doubt very much Wolves would have won the league with Kylmakorpi remaining in the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted December 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 They were until they swapped Kylmakorpi with Woffinden. The would never have won the league had that change not happened. This year they won't be able to do it as the rules have changed. And neither will anyone else, including Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 It goes further than points scored on the track. As a world champion is raises the other team members scores up as well. I doubt very much Wolves would have won the league with Kylmakorpi remaining in the team. With the team we had in the semi, Kylmo or Woffy you can hardly say the result would have been different. Maybe final could have been different especially as Woffy lent P.K his bike in a crucial race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 They were until they swapped Kylmakorpi with Woffinden. The would never have won the league had that change not happened. This year they won't be able to do it as the rules have changed. It goes further than points scored on the track. As a world champion is raises the other team members scores up as well. I doubt very much Wolves would have won the league with Kylmakorpi remaining in the team. In the space of a couple of hours - weakening your stance considerably. Whether they would have, should have or could have what they did do was beat Poole in the semis and win in the final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 In the space of a couple of hours - weakening your stance considerably. Whether they would have, should have or could have what they did do was beat Poole in the semis and win in the final! Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. ..............you still going on about it?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. Ahh bless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 You are. But I am not either. They might get in the playoffs but the team isn't very good and three teams look definately better. Depends what Belle Vue and Leicester come up with before making a final judgement but Wolves look also rans. Just my opinion and nothing more. Yes it is my opinion and echoed by others. You are also entitled to that opinion and no surprise it's the same as last season. In fairness more shared your view on the 2016 starting team. At the moment the Stars look the team to beat so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. Somerset could have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. forget it steve,its only speedway there are far more important things in the world,however to sum up the play offs we were rubbish, deserved nothing and got nothing,end of Edited December 21, 2016 by poole keith 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 They were until they swapped Kylmakorpi with Woffinden. The would never have won the league had that change not happened. This year they won't be able to do it as the rules have changed. But yet you still fail to acknowledge it made little difference at all....quite bizarre With the team we had in the semi, Kylmo or Woffy you can hardly say the result would have been different. Maybe final could have been different especially as Woffy lent P.K his bike in a crucial race. You are 100% correct Any team in the top half of the table could have beaten Poole in the second leg of the semi. Were were a second heat leader missing. No in the second leg of the semi final your number one failed to win a race Buck and Kurtz scored 1 between them Yet you still lost by the same as in the league meeting........hmmm ..............you still going on about it?! those sour grapes just keep getting sourer forget it steve,its only speedway there are far more important things in the world,however to sum up the play offs we were rubbish, deserved nothing and got nothing,end of Again 100% spot on. It is the usual Poole fans who cant see the bigger picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) You talk absolute tosh at times! By the end of the season the difference between Joonas average and Tai's was 0.3 hardly earth shattering! Also when Poole were at home to Wolves Tai scored 7. In the league fixture Joonas got 10+1. Luckily for Poole or they would have been beat by a bigger margin in the semis if Joonas was riding!! Oh and against Belle Vue in the final: Tai 8+2 (riding at number 4) Masters 8 (riding at number 5) And against them in the league: Masters 13 (riding at number 4) Joonas 7+2 (riding at number 5) So even in the final Wolves were weaker at home then they were in the league. So please tell me how they only won because of Tai, because you make no sense spot on..........always good to see a Poole fan who knows what they are talking about and actually checks the facts 2016 Jonas Kylmalkorpi 15 matches 120 points at 7.27 Tai Woffinden 10 matches 107 points at 9,11 That's quite a difference in my opinion . Wolves signed a rider on a similar rolling average who in real terms was 2 points better a match than the rider he was replacing. I'ts unlikely Wolves would have won the league this year without making that change. Edited December 21, 2016 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 2016 Jonas Kylmalkorpi 15 matches 120 points at 7.27 Tai Woffinden 10 matches 107 points at 9,11 That's quite a difference in my opinion . Wolves signed a rider on a similar rolling average who in real terms was 2 points better a match than the rider he was replacing. I'ts unlikely Wolves would have won the league this year without making that change. Quite. The signing of Woffinden made all the difference. And the injury to Andersen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Quite. The signing of Woffinden made all the difference. And the injury to Andersen. Wasn't just Andersen, Brady,Tungate and Lindback all massive let downs. It isn't going to change the result. t the end of the day Woffy was signed legitimately and Wolves won. I don't think it made much difference personally. Edited December 21, 2016 by foreverblue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Wasn't just Andersen, Brady,Tungate and Lindback all massive let downs. It isn't going to change the result. t the end of the day Woffy was signed legitimately and Wolves won. I don't think it made much difference personally. Good on you for not toeing the party propaganda line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) 2016 Jonas Kylmalkorpi 15 matches 120 points at 7.27 Tai Woffinden 10 matches 107 points at 9,11 That's quite a difference in my opinion . Wolves signed a rider on a similar rolling average who in real terms was 2 points better a match than the rider he was replacing. I'ts unlikely Wolves would have won the league this year without making that change. why 15 matches v 10 matches sounds like your distorting the figures to suit your argument added to the fact that Kylmo got zero after he was sacked. Edited December 21, 2016 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Quite. The signing of Woffinden made all the difference. And the injury to Andersen. laughable and incorrect but you carry on all the way to march Wasn't just Andersen, Brady,Tungate and Lindback all massive let downs. It isn't going to change the result. t the end of the day Woffy was signed legitimately and Wolves won. I don't think it made much difference personally. your spot on mate Good on you for not toeing the party propaganda line. he never does he sees things as a true fan not blinkered like the 3 stooges 2016 Jonas Kylmalkorpi 15 matches 120 points at 7.27 Tai Woffinden 10 matches 107 points at 9,11 That's quite a difference in my opinion . Wolves signed a rider on a similar rolling average who in real terms was 2 points better a match than the rider he was replacing. I'ts unlikely Wolves would have won the league this year without making that change. So Joonas ended up on 6.68 and Tai 7.03?? Joonas scored 10 at Poole and Tai got 7. Poole would have lost by more if Joonas rode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 2016 Jonas Kylmalkorpi 15 matches 120 points at 7.27 Tai Woffinden 10 matches 107 points at 9,11 That's quite a difference in my opinion . Wolves signed a rider on a similar rolling average who in real terms was 2 points better a match than the rider he was replacing. I'ts unlikely Wolves would have won the league this year without making that change. Wolves would have made the playoffs with or without the change. Then, in the playoffs itself, Woffinden scored 7+1 from 5 rides... riding as a second string at Poole. Kylmo scored 10+1 as a heat leader there in the league match he rode. Woffy then scored 13+1 from five in the 2nd leg, again as a second string. Given the opposition that night, it's unlikely Kylmo would have scored many less if at all. In the final, Woffy scored 8+2 from 4 at home from second string and 11 (9 without the double pts) from 4 in the away leg, again from second string. Let's not forget Wolves won the final by 10pts. So, in terms of contribution on track there really wasn't much in it. Where we did benefit was PK riding on Woffy's engine at Belle Vue and the psychological factor. Nothing to suggest though that Wolves wouldn't have won the playoffs without the change, the best that can be argued is that it may have been a little harder. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Wolves won due to a certain part time Australian's GP bid going up in smoke which resulted in him using British Speedway a bit more and us being hampered by injuries Anyway wont be the same story next season as Wolves will struggle to make the Play-Offs enjoy it while it lasts peeps. No Wolves didnt wint the league because of Tai and you didnt lose it because of injuries! Look at the returns of Holder, Kurtz and Buck then come back to me as to why you lost to Wolves. And quite clearly Wolves have a strong team this season coming...............just the same Poole fans with the bitter tastes that say otherwise Edited December 21, 2016 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Would u have won the final were PK not on woffys bike at belle vue? The final was closer than the eventual 10 point margin, and certainly a 2 or 4 point swing could have been all that was needed for there to be a different outcome over the final heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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