Perton Wolf Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Depending on points limit, regulations etc 1 Lindgren 2 Howarth 3 Thorsell 4 Harris 5 Masters 6 Clegg 7 Morris Think that leaves us a bit too weak at reserve to be honest. Will Howarth be expected to move up into the top 5 of the team next season then? I somehow doubt Newman at Poole will be! Harris at 4 sounds good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I think this year any questions about how teams will line up next season are very much off the mark as British Speedway could be seriously affected by what happens in other countries, especially Poland that seem set on getting riders to commit more, especially with tv deals meaning matches on Fridaysvand Saturdays as well as the regular Sunday's. Polish clubs want any rider that rides in any of their leagues to ride in just one other league. That would mean a rider like Chris Holder could sign for Torun but then have to decide if he wants to also race for Piraterna in Sweden or Poole in Britain. There appears to be money problems in most of the leagues these riders ride in, so given the choice they would pick the most reliable but Sweden pay about twice as much as Britain and Poland roughly three times as much. Riders that will most be affected by this are riders that ride a handful of meetings in their home country as an obligation like Niels K Iversen who rides just a few meetings each season. These riders want to continue to ride there but would feel hard done by having to drop Sweden and Britain to ride in Poland or drop Poland and then ride in Sweden and Britain instead. Therefore they may look at changing the new ruling to one other country than their home league. This remains to be authorised or passed by the powers to be like the PZM or whoever, but if all Polish clubs are in agreement, they can simply stick together and not field any rider that decides to ride in numerous leagues on various days. So if they are determined to put this in place, it would mean a large number of riders would have to choose between leagues if they want to ride in Poland and earn the potential big money deals. Tai Woffinden has already agreed deals in Wroclaw yet again and Marstad in Sweden after leaving Vetlanda and most of his big sponsors are from Poland. Freddie is moving clubs in Sweden and rides in the far out Dugavpils in Poland. Jacob has had a great season in Sweden with Rospigarna and has interest from a number of Polish clubs. Sam Masters obviously isn't a Wolves asset and has been getting more and more bookings abroad. Should Chris Harris sign for Wolves as many seem to think he will end up at Monmore Green, he has found bookings abroad hard to come by and is doing more and more Grasstrack meetings instead so would fit in well but that would be the case if he was to sign forvSwindon, Poole or anywhere else. Let's see what Poland are doing or get away with and then we will know if Britain carries on as normal or rebuilds based on riders that commit to Britain and don't do Sweden and Poland and if so it could push Britain into developing one big league built to more of a current Premier League level and make spaces for National League riders to fill the number seven positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Think that leaves us a bit too weak at reserve to be honest. Will Howarth be expected to move up into the top 5 of the team next season then? I somehow doubt Newman at Poole will be! Harris at 4 sounds good though. Ash and Max are improving and are our assets. Would be good to see all teams using under 21 riders Edited October 9, 2016 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Ash and Max are improving and are our assets. Would be good to see all teams using under 21 riders Max is a Cradley asset isn't he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Like I'm going to listen to the Pearson's opinion, Spoon loving $hite supporter. If I met him face to face I'd ask him one question, 'When was the last time you paid to get into Monmore Green?'. I don't need to ask as I already know the answer. When fans are let in free that's the day they're not allowed a say I'm happy to be called a keyboard expert, a lot on here would disagree Couldn't agree more! What a parasite he has become he couldn't give a hoot about the sport as long as he making a living out of it and people like Woffenden and whatever club whose payroll he currently sits on.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Max is a Cradley asset isn't he I thought this was the case too but considering the common promotion, he might as well be ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I didn't think national league teams could have assets?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 I didn't think national league teams could have assets??That's correct. The NL team gets paid £ per avg point for the rider. There is no "we're not letting him go for less than 10k" etc. If a PL or EL team want the rider and the rider wants to go then the fee is lodged at BSPA and that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Don't think Masters is better than Fricke.But agree he his a very promising young rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Don't think Masters is better than Fricke.But agree he his a very promising young rider. Depends how you judge it. Fricke has done really well in the Swedish and Polish leagues whilst Masters is above him in the EL even tho marginally 7.18 to 7.08 plus Masters did a decent job for Oz in the WTC. Fricke is younger so may be the better longer term prospect but it wouldn't surprise me if Masters achieves more either. Fricke has added just under a point to his starting average (6.16) whilst Masters started lower 5.60 and ended higher in the EL. Masters for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) If what some of those who work at Brandon say is true, you might need to remove Harris from your wish list after all as they are not his first choice 😉 Edited October 10, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 If what some of those who work at Brandon say is true, you might need to remove Harris from your wish list after all as they are not his first choice 😉That makes sense after what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Stevebrum I think Fricke winning the world u 21 title surely gives him the edge over Masters.He is like you say very good in Poland and Sweden and regarding his UK average he missed a lot of home meetings for BV.Max may have done well at the world cup but for getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 His UK average is 0.10 lower the Sam's because he never rode at reserve. Sam's my second favourite young Aussie. Great rider, love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 If what some of those who work at Brandon say is true, you might need to remove Harris from your wish list after all as they are not his first choice So what is his preference ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZodiac Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Don't see why you wouldn't want that team? Would be super strong at Monmore and do enough away to breeze into the Playoffs and probably win them. Doubt anybody's team will end up that strong though. It would be about 5 years too late for both Harris and Nicholls. Admittedly both go well at Wolves - but really we need some riders who can ride away too. As you say if the EL is to be viable I can't see any team being allowed to be that strong anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 If what some of those who work at Brandon say is true, you might need to remove Harris from your wish list after all as they are not his first choice Everyone seems to have assumed that. I certainly haven't. I think some have assumed it was Wolves that was on Harris's wish list. Bomber knows where he is going that much is sure. I won't lose sleep either way who he signs for other than as an honest rider I'd be happy if he did sign for us. Stevebrum I think Fricke winning the world u 21 title surely gives him the edge over Masters.He is like you say very good in Poland and Sweden and regarding his UK average he missed a lot of home meetings for BV.Max may have done well at the world cup but for getting injured. Fair point and very valid. However Masters has been a slow burner and could have possibly achieved more if he didn't have time out with visa issues. I'd say there is little between them tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Like I'm going to listen to the Pearson's opinion, Spoon loving $hite supporter. If I met him face to face I'd ask him one question, 'When was the last time you paid to get into Monmore Green?'. I don't need to ask as I already know the answer. When fans are let in free that's the day they're not allowed a say I'm happy to be called a keyboard expert, a lot on here would disagree As Pearson is a dyed in the wool spoon, he's married one for god's sake, then I have absolutely no reason to listen to any of his B.S. regarding the Wolves. I bet he's still boiling inside after our victory in the final. Great ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 It would be about 5 years too late for both Harris and Nicholls. Admittedly both go well at Wolves - but really we need some riders who can ride away too. As you say if the EL is to be viable I can't see any team being allowed to be that strong anyway. Nicholls was awesome away for us. He was something like 5th in the away averages overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundin5 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 1. Fredrik Lindgren 7.21 2. Sam Masters 7.18 3. Jacob Thorsell 7.06 4. Tai Woffinden 7.03 5. Chris Harris 6.58 6. Max Clegg 4.15/Kyle Howarth (If the EDL averages get set to 4.00 for start of season/Ludvig Lindgren 4.34 7. Ashley Morris 3.00 Total 42.21/42.06/42.40 Assuming the limit and current averages will stay the same, I know probably unrealistic, but what a team Harris 6.58, Masters 7.18, Thorsell 7.06, Musielak 4.53 and Clegg 4.15 so it would be 29.50 leaving 13 points for final 2 riders What a wage tab to find each week. You'd need double the crowd pay that. However, I reality, a line up as such would not happen. Nice thought for you though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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