Wolves 2017

[stevebrum]

Perhaps they have a few suprises up their sleeves,and Stevebrum will bring us good news on Thursday morning.

Likely to be Wednesday night.

[szkocjasid]

WOLVERHAMPTON ?

1 Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2 Jacob Thorsell 9.89

3 Sam Masters 8.97

4 Kyle Howarth 7.18

5 Ashley Morris 4.98

6 Leigh Lanham 4.34

7 Max Clegg 4.34

Total 49.79

[Col]

 

WOLVERHAMPTON ?

1 Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2 Jacob Thorsell 9.89

3 Sam Masters 8.97

4 Kyle Howarth 7.18

5 Ashley Morris 4.98

6 Leigh Lanham 4.34

7 Max Clegg 4.34

Total 49.79

 

 

If Wolves end up with that septet I will be amazed. Or anything built along those lines. Which is why I cannot see Masters being included in the Wolves team now.

[Yampy]

I think if Wolves sign Masters, you have to go with a 2 point reserve and hope the rest of the team carry you through.

 

I like Howarth but as we saw last season, he did struggle with consistency so to pick him when his average is higher than Proctor, Museilak, Schlein etc is a strange one.

 

So with the four already signed (31.5 points) and Masters accounting for 40.47 points and the quality of riders who average between 4 & 5 points being less than exciting, i'd go all out for a JPB signing to leave you with just over 7 points for your last second string.

 

If we don't sign Masters, then aside from wondering what the hell CVS/Adams are doing, you could possibly have Proctor, Musielak and AN Other. If it was correct on Proctor's Twitter that he is 6.68 and the earlier mention of of Musielak being somewhere around the 6.5 mark, it leaves a healthier 5.3 for your other reserve...... Or even go Ricky Wells, with one of Proctor/Musielak leaving just under 4 points for someone like Tom Perry.

[Yampy]

 

WOLVERHAMPTON ?

1 Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2 Jacob Thorsell 9.89

3 Sam Masters 8.97

4 Kyle Howarth 7.18

5 Ashley Morris 4.98

6 Leigh Lanham 4.34

7 Max Clegg 4.34

Total 49.79

 

5 through to 7 does not inspire much confidence in my opinion. I think Morris would struggle at reserve let alone in the main body of the team

[Tommy Sweetman]

 

WOLVERHAMPTON ?

1 Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2 Jacob Thorsell 9.89

3 Sam Masters 8.97

4 Kyle Howarth 7.18

5 Ashley Morris 4.98

6 Leigh Lanham 4.34

7 Max Clegg 4.34

Total 49.79

 

Good god.Thats the sort of tail we will be left with,if we include Masters.

 

 

Howarth,should never have been signed ahead of Sam.

 

What a cock-up.

[Col]

Good god.Thats the sort of tail we will be left with,if we include Masters.

 

 

Howarth,should never have been signed ahead of Sam.

 

What a cock-up.

 

Which is why I don't think there will be a 3rd Brit at Monmore, the Howarth signing seems down to that to me. So American Wells would somewhat makes sense as 3rd heat leader. But that only gives you an extra 1.05 to play with for the final 2 riders. 10.58.

[Wolfsbane]

 

I doubt it.. most of the happy clappers are delighted because Howarth is back.. he's a nice lad you see.

 

Then they wonder why Poole are up near the top year after year.. and Wolves every eight years or so.

 

Ain't that the bloody truth. 'We've got them onside with the title win now Pete, but it cost us a fortune'.

Signing Howarth on that average now puts a bigger question mark on their plans.

If he is to be third heat-leader(and he will be if they go for all-round strength)is a hugh gamble.

 

Surely,CVS/Adams has a strategy, now that it doesn't include Klindt,of hopefully finding enough heat winners to make us competitive.

 

Only Fred and Jacob,look like doing that at the moment.

 

Perhaps they have a few suprises up their sleeves,and Stevebrum will bring us good news on Thursday morning.

C'mon Brum, let's be having it!

Edited November 29, 2016 by Wolfsbane

[stevebrum]

C'mon Brum, let's be having it!

You know you can rely on a full report.

[fish keeper]

Lingren 10.9

Thorsell 9.88

Masters 8.97

Howarth 7.18

6.73 \5.73

Cldegg 4.34

3.00 \2.00

we can still use masters and use a 2 or a 3 pointer as our number 7 giving a 6.73 or 5.73 for the last rider P.Starke or Todd Kurtz

Edited November 29, 2016 by fish keeper

[Wolfsbane]

Don't it feel like if Masters was going to be in the team he'd have been announced already? He's obviously got his visa for 2017 as he's now back in Oz.

[fish keeper]

Masters did say he wanted to be at wolves for a few seasons not signed for Edinburgh yet ever is it that we have bought his contract and will be told at talk in.

[Wolfsbane]

Masters did say he wanted to be at wolves for a few seasons not signed for Edinburgh yet ever is it that we have bought his contract and will be told at talk in.

**Fingers crossed FK**

[BWitcher]

we can still use masters and use a 2 or a 3 pointer as our number 7 giving a 6.73 or 5.73 for the last rider P.Starke or Todd Kurtz

 

Paul Starke would do a job.

[Joe Beevers]

Paul Starke would do a job.

 

Surely he maybe at Somerset or Leicester like last season. Somerset is where my money would be.

 

Tbh, I would be surprised if Masters signed for Wolves as they would look very top heavy. His average is nearly 9 so he should probably be a Leicester heatleader unless he has replaced Fricke at Belle Vue but can't see it. Somerset is a maybe with Tungate and Graczonek.

[Bagpuss]

Stops too much manipulation

I expect Poole will still manage some.

[Red Flag]

Which is why I don't think there will be a 3rd Brit at Monmore, the Howarth signing seems down to that to me. So American Wells would somewhat makes sense as 3rd heat leader. But that only gives you an extra 1.05 to play with for the final 2 riders. 10.58.

no thanks to Wells, an uninspiring rider who I don't think has any improvement left in him

[INCOGNITO]

How did Wolverhampton become Champions ?

 

They started the season with a number one who had an average of just 6.80 while others had GP stars or consistent seven plus heat leaders. Many predicted they would miss the play offs and would be one of the kicking boys of the season with only Leicester saving them from the wooden spoon.

 

 

The reason or reasons they won the title must be remembered as the same plan and thinking appears to have gone out of the window. Yes they had the number one draft reserve in Howarth on 5.53 but that advantage never paid dividends as many other reserves out scored him, averaged more and in some cases held a heat leader role for a time.Howarth however only broke out of reserves for a short spell and failed to dominate the reserve berths as expected.

 

The reasons they won the title is largely down to having riders on modest averages who can improve like Thorssell 6.18, Lindgren 6.11 and Masters 5.60 with all three adding at least a point to their averages and holding down regular heat 15 nominations. They also met teams at the right time which is lucky for anyone but they also found replacements at the right time in PK for Bech and Woffinden for the dethroned 6.80 number one of Kylmakorpi.

 

 

Lindgren maybe able to get close to a ten average but should drop a little and while Thorssell improved a lot, if he can average 8.5 he will do well. However Howarth starts on a 7.18 average gained from his Premier League rides this season in a league where he never faced the likes of Harris, Nicholls, Thorssell, Lindgren, Andersen, Kasprzak, Doyle, Fricke, Batchelor, Iversen etc etc etc so how can he be expected to get within two points of that figure. Even if he averages 5.18, a drop of two points, it's only just an improvement on his EL average which was mainly at reserve against draft riders and number sevens.

 

Don't get me wrong, much of this can be said about any rider moving his PL average into the Premiership as it's an average they now have to carry in a stronger league just like Jack Holder, Stuart Robson, Lasse Bjerre etc etc. Take Kevin Wolbert for example, who is going to track him in the top league on an 8.00 average when you have experienced riders like Batchelor, Schlein, Watt etc on lower averages.

 

 

The intial thought was fine, but riders holding a PL average should have been reduced by 1.2 and EL averages increased possibly by 1.4 Therefore Howarth and Holder would be 5.98 but Schlein would be still be 7.17 which is more realistic. Also Adam Ellis starts for Swindon on 7.84 after one season where he started as a 3.00 number seven and racked up big points in the draft races. Had he of raced in the PL he maybe would have averaged less than that so take off a point to make him 6.84 and more attractive to a Championship team to double up.

 

 

 

So no bargains in the team due to inflated averages and an asset on a bargain and achievable average has gone elsewhere so what's the plan for the final three as these signings will be crucial.

 

Do they go with a top three including Masters and therefore start with a weak reserve pairing of Clegg and a lower ranked rider or sign two seven pointers and still have a low reserve. Or the other option being to sign three riders that can all back up the top two and have a stronger reserve and keep Clegg as the number seven ?

 

 

Whichever way, a promising and potential strong second string is required to help Howarth and that could be anyone like Batchelor, Schlein, Berge, Riss or Museliak who are either experienced or big potential and World U21 finalists.

 

 

1 LINDGREN

2 Museliak

3 HOWARTH

4 Berge or Riss

5 THORSSELL

6 Wilson-Dean or Lambert

7 CLEGG

Edited November 29, 2016 by INCOGNITO

[Paddy The Rebel]

What about

Fred 10.09

Jacob 9.89

Sam 8.97

Kyle 7.18

Schlein 7.17

Max 4.34

? J p blackburn 2.00

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49.64

That's the best team wolves could come up with now. Would defo get top 4

[Danny Connor]

I hope wolves played hardball and have sold klindt rather than loaned him out. I'd be heartbroken in I was you guys. . . . . And to them too!......