Wolves 2017

[SteveLyric2]

Thought Klindt made it clear that he'd prefer not to race at Wolves - which is why CVS didn't try to persuade him.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Skidder1

[Fourentee]

 

I wonder how much effort was actually made with Klindt.

 

 

Time and again CVS, when discussing signings, lays stress on how keen the rider has been to join. Committing early and enthusiastically has always been a key tenet with him. I've no knowledge on how it went with Klindt, but suspect that any reluctance on the part of the rider has moved CVS swiftly to Plan B (or beyond!). Personally I would have liked to see him in the Wolves line-up, but riders will go where riders want to go so we deal with it and move on.

[Beowulf]

1. Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2. Kyle Howarth 7.18

3. Sam Masters 8.97

4. Rory Schlein 7.17

5. Jacob Thorssell 9.88

6. Max Clegg 4.34

7. Nathan Greaves 2.32

 

49.95

 

I have never been a Schlein fan, and I know he has had his fair share of bad injuries, but the thought of him as a second string behind strong heat leaders appeals somehow.

[stevebrum]

Thought Klindt made it clear that he'd prefer not to race at Wolves - which is why CVS didn't try to persuade him.

He didn't make it clear at all.

Klindt was offered the chance to ride for wolves or pick another club. A suggestion was offered for reasons why he might not have picked Wolves. Nothing clear about that at all!

[BWitcher]

 

Time and again CVS, when discussing signings, lays stress on how keen the rider has been to join. Committing early and enthusiastically has always been a key tenet with him. I've no knowledge on how it went with Klindt, but suspect that any reluctance on the part of the rider has moved CVS swiftly to Plan B (or beyond!). Personally I would have liked to see him in the Wolves line-up, but riders will go where riders want to go so we deal with it and move on.

 

Agree with all of this, I'm just pointing out, the promoters will generally 'spin' things when they speak to the fans.. they're hardly going to come out and say we had no interest in Klindt when many had pointed out what a bargain he was.

[stevebrum]

Hardly surprising.

 

I wonder how much effort was actually made with Klindt.

 

Aren't clubs meant to obtain permission to discuss terms with an asset of another club, or did that rule change?

He was given permission.

[Tommy Sweetman]

He was given permission.

Lets face it Steve,hes hardly ever been flavour of the month with Wolves fans.

 

Not many wanted Klindt as a rider,but many wanted his tasty average.

[stevebrum]

Lets face it Steve,hes hardly ever been flavour of the month with Wolves fans.Not many wanted Klindt as a rider,but many wanted his tasty average.

Truth in that indeed. Similar to David Howe who used to divide fans opinions (shut it BW! :wink).

It's not often assets averages are attractive to get an advantage and if any club should get that advantage it should be the parent club.

CVS has been a little too fair to Klindt IMHO.

[dabbsjoe]

Klindt has that low average for a reason
He was also dropped from previous seasons team and not even thought of for last years team for the same reason

[Fourentee]

 

Agree with all of this, I'm just pointing out, the promoters will generally 'spin' things when they speak to the fans.. they're hardly going to come out and say we had no interest in Klindt when many had pointed out what a bargain he was.

 

Perfectly true. But Klindt is pretty much universally acknowledged as the bargain average of 2017, is a club asset and has been used relatively recently by the club as a guest. He's not exactly an unknown coming out of left field.

And given the shape of the Wolves team building thus far, it's a lot easier to see that as the product of a thought process which envisaged the inclusion of Klindt than otherwise. The fact that management have declared a pause in team building would lend support to the theory.

[BWitcher]

 

Perfectly true. But Klindt is pretty much universally acknowledged as the bargain average of 2017, is a club asset and has been used relatively recently by the club as a guest. He's not exactly an unknown coming out of left field.

And given the shape of the Wolves team building thus far, it's a lot easier to see that as the product of a thought process which envisaged the inclusion of Klindt than otherwise. The fact that management have declared a pause in team building would lend support to the theory.

 

Again agreed.. but past history has shown.. assets being used on good averages hasn't come into the thinking often.. whereas those on bad averages, that's another story! Not mentioning anyone Stevebrum may have mentioned earlier

 

Anyhow.. we have another rider on a bargain average now in Skornicki.. let's hope they don't let him slip through the net too.

[outofdarkness]

1. Freddie Lindgren 10.09

2. Kyle Howarth 7.18

3. Sam Masters 8.97

4. Rory Schlein 7.17

5. Jacob Thorssell 9.88

6. Max Clegg 4.34

7. Nathan Greaves 2.32

 

49.95

I wouldn't go for Rory.Nice guy.great servant to British Speedway but why when we could have a guy who does Donuts on a speedway bike.....seriously i think Adam is much less risky than Rory who really has struggled since his injuries Edited December 6, 2016 by outofdarkness

[Fourentee]

Anyhow.. we have another rider on a bargain average now in Skornicki.. let's hope they don't let him slip through the net too.

 

Now, you remember that earlier discussion about how much CVS appreciates enthusiasm for (and, in passing, loyalty to) the club? Here you have a prime example that ticks every CVS box going.

[bringbackHalifax]

How about

Freddie

Kyle

Robert Lambert

Ludvig Lindgren

Jacob

Max

Jack Smith or Parker Blackburn

 

Fits if Max gets reduction and think Lambert gets reduction too

[stevebrum]

How about

Freddie

Kyle

Robert Lambert

Ludvig Lindgren

Jacob

Max

Jack Smith or Parker Blackburn

Fits if Max gets reduction and think Lambert gets reduction too

I'd love Lambert at Wolves however we already know it's looking like Masters.

[Col]

No he was a team manager.

 

Brilliant stuff, a once mildly useful second string comes of of retirement, Lets give him a GP Spot.

Should we not sign Lindgren as a No 1 as he was a reserve in 2004?

 

Lindgren was a teenager in 2004 and has qualified for next years GP's. Skornikci is older than me, post something relevant.

He hasn't ridden anywhere since he got injured in 2014, and had been team managing since.

 

How did the last time you signed an ageing rider who hadn't ridden for a few years, work out with Ronnie Correy in 2005, did Wolves make the playoffs that year?

Edited December 7, 2016 by Col

[stevebrum]

How did the last time you signed an ageing rider who hadn't ridden for a few years, work out with Ronnie Correy in 2005, did Wolves make the playoffs that year?

It really depends on options and if there really is a better option on that average.

Wolves will probably have the strongest top 3 in the league and once Adam gets race fit I'm sure he has plenty to still offer.

You never know it might be 2 years on the trot that the old firm is the guiding light on play off night. He at least has good form for it.

Is it a risk? To an extent yes.

But when you look at some of the 5-7 pointers available he is becoming a more attractive option.

Anyway I get the sense he isn't plan A so time will tell.

[Col]

The last average I can find searching the history section of the BSPA website is from 2014 when Skornicki averaged 6.14 which should be subject to a 1.4 increase.

 

Lindgren 10.09

Masters 8.98

Howarth 7.18

Thorsell 9.88

Skornicki 8.60

Clegg 4.34

0.934

No riders available for 0.934, lowest average is 2.00

Do tell how you are going to get away with this, it is Poole-esque. Yet that team is still rubbish compared to what Wolves should be fielding next year.

Assume for some ridiculous reason that Skornicki is on 5.00. I fail to see why a Pole should be reassessed when he hasn't ridden for a few years, but I can't contemplate how Swindon have signed a new Dane on a silly average either considering the watering down. If a Pole or Swede has top flight experience in their countries league they should be 7.00 at least, a Dane I'd let off on a 6.00 if they haven't ridden outside their country.

Still I fail to see how...

Lindgren 10.09

Skornicki 5.00

Masters 8.98

Howarth 7.18

Thorsell 9.88

Clegg 4.34

A Rider 4.53

Is anywhere near the team Wolves should have selected

Lindgren 10.09

Manzarez 5.43

Harris 9.21

Musielak 6.34, I am open to offers on improvong this selection only...

Masters 8.98

Clegg 4.34

Klindt 5.42

It really depends on options and if there really is a better option on that average.
Wolves will probably have the strongest top 3 in the league and once Adam gets race fit I'm sure he has plenty to still offer.
You never know it might be 2 years on the trot that the old firm is the guiding light on play off night. He at least has good form for it.
Is it a risk? To an extent yes.
But when you look at some of the 5-7 pointers available he is becoming a more attractive option.
Anyway I get the sense he isn't plan A so time will tell.

 

Skornicki should be on 8.6. Last relevant EL average * 1.4

Even better, when did CVS last convince the BSPA to reduce the average of a recently injured rider, from 7+ to something allot less. Ales Dryml. And Wolves ended up recalling a rider most Wolves fans despised in Jesper B Monberg so they didn't lose the previous relegation play-off.

If Skornicki is 5.00, the team selection becomes even more ridiculous.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Col

[stevebrum]

The last average I can find searching the history section of the BSPA website is from 2014 when Skornicki averaged 6.14 which should be subject to a 1.4 increase.

 

Lindgren 10.09

Masters 8.98

Howarth 7.18

Thorsell 9.88

Skornicki 8.60

Clegg 4.34

 

0.934

 

No riders available for 0.934, lowest average is 2.00

 

Do tell how you are going to get away with this, it is Poole-esque. Yet that team is still rubbish compared to what Wolves should be fielding next year.

 

Assume for some ridiculous reason that Skornicki is on 5.00. I fail to see why a Pole should be reassessed when he hasn't ridden for a few years, but I can't contemplate how Swindon have signed a new Dane on a silly average either considering the watering down. If a Pole or Swede has top flight experience in their countries league they should be 7.00 at least, a Dane I'd let off on a 6.00 if they haven't ridden outside their country.

 

Still I fail to see how...

 

 

Lindgren 10.09

Skornicki 5.00

Masters 8.98

Howarth 7.18

Thorsell 9.88

Clegg 4.34

A Rider 4.53

 

Is anywhere near the team Wolves should have selected

 

 

Lindgren 10.09

Manzarez 5.43

Harris 9.21

Musielak 6.34, I am open to offers on improvong this selection only...

Masters 8.98

Clegg 4.34

Klindt 5.42

 

 

 

 

 

Skornicki should be on 8.6. Last relevant EL average * 1.4

Even better, when did CVS last convince the BSPA to reduce the average of a recently injured rider, from 7+ to something allot less. Ales Dryml. And Wolves ended up recalling a rider most Wolves fans despised in Jesper B Monberg so they didn't lose the previous relegation play-off.

Skornicki is 7.22 confirmed by CVS. Injury and time out the sport seems a factor. But like you say he is too big a risk anyway.

In the real world a good back up to a strong top 3.

[Fourentee]

 

Still I fail to see how...

Lindgren 10.09

Skornicki 5.00

Masters 8.98

Howarth 7.18

Thorsell 9.88

Clegg 4.34

A Rider 4.53

Is anywhere near the team Wolves should have selected

Lindgren 10.09

Manzarez 5.43

Harris 9.21

Musielak 6.34, I am open to offers on improvong this selection only...

Masters 8.98

Clegg 4.34

Klindt 5.42

 

'Should have selected', forsooth! What do you expect, CVS to weld Klindt into black and gold kevlars? Harris to sign under duress? Klindt opted for Poole, a track which should suit his style anyway (and no, I haven't checked his scores there) and there seems to be a fair bit of investment at Rye judging by the team assembled. Riders go where riders go. Putting together a team isn't fantasy speedway. I'm not knocking your selection, just the implied assumption that one picks the names, clicks the fingers and that's that.