Dandelion Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Which is what Poole has done and other teams would do if the opportunity arose. Yes, Poole have done it, and so have other teams, I dont understand what the problem is, Peterborough did it in the PL too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Which is what Poole has done and other teams would do if the opportunity arose. But, he is not a 7 point rider, he's the current world champion!!!! Should have been reassessed on his current "Live" league scores from Poland and Sweden..... Which would have probably meant Wolves would have had to get rid of 2 riders, which I bet they wouldn't have wanted to do...... So although not cheating, wasn't really within the spirit of sportsmanship, was it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 But, he is not a 7 point rider, he's the current world champion!!!! Should have been reassessed on his current "Live" league scores from Poland and Sweden..... Which would have probably meant Wolves would have had to get rid of 2 riders, which I bet they wouldn't have wanted to do...... So although not cheating, wasn't really within the spirit of sportsmanship, was it?? He obtained that average whilst world champion so it was entirely an fair representation of his ability in this country 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 He obtained that average whilst world champion so it was entirely an fair representation of his ability in this country Do you really believe that...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Do you really believe that...? It was his true average for the season he had while world champion. He had a nightmare season in the EL and Wolves suffered as a result. He came back within 2 years, so why wouldn't you expect that he would have the same average? It was totally within the spirit of sportsmanship - replace a lesser rider with a better one who is on a lower average. No dodgy sicknotes were used! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 It was his true average for the season he had while world champion. He had a nightmare season in the EL and Wolves suffered as a result. He came back within 2 years, so why wouldn't you expect that he would have the same average? It was totally within the spirit of sportsmanship - replace a lesser rider with a better one who is on a lower average. No dodgy sicknotes were used! Spot on. He hasn't been falsely re-assessed or anything like that he has an average that he obtained whilst World Champion I'm not sure why there is an argument.. Wolves had to suffer him being poor to obtain that average why shouldn't they use it to there advantage its what any good sports team does they try to make there team better 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Spot on. He hasn't been falsely re-assessed or anything like that he has an average that he obtained whilst World Champion I'm not sure why there is an argument.. Wolves had to suffer him being poor to obtain that average why shouldn't they use it to there advantage its what any good sports team does they try to make there team better Let's not forget the bi-annual tournament involving Davey Watt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Let's be honest and fair everyone, no way should Tai've come in on a 7 average, as World Champion he realistically should've been an 8.5. He had a crap year when he obtained that 7! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 of course he did thats why he had a 7 ave,thats the way averages work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 LOL the same people crying that Newman should be a 5.00 average are now saying the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION IS ONLY A 7.00 AVERAGE AS IT REFLECTS HIS ABILITY IN THIS COUNTRY. Hahahahahahahahaha! Kyle should be on whatever average he got from this year, and Woffinden should be on whatever average he got this year, why do they need changing by anyone? An average is an average, and that's the points they scored, regardless of if they're world champion or not, statistics and numbers don't lie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Except the current heat format does make statistics "lie" as two riders on the same average could have vastly different abilities... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Let's be honest and fair everyone, no way should Tai've come in on a 7 average, as World Champion he realistically should've been an 8.5. He had a crap year when he obtained that 7! Every year there are riders who have a good year or poor year. Thats part of the art of team building, trying to find riders that you think can improve on their averages. Tai's average was obtained fairly and recently, it didn't need changing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) LOL the same people crying that Newman should be a 5.00 average are now saying the CURRENT WORLD CHAMPION IS ONLY A 7.00 AVERAGE AS IT REFLECTS HIS ABILITY IN THIS COUNTRY. Hahahahahahahahaha! Newman has a 5+ EL average and Woffinden has a 7+ EL average both actual averages obtained from racing in the EL - FACT. Nothing funny in that! What is funny are people trying to say that Newman is actually a 3+ EL average!! Not forgetting that Newman actually beat Woffinden around his home track too! Edited October 19, 2016 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Newman has a 5+ EL average and Woffinden has a 7+ EL average both actual averages obtained from racing in the EL - FACT. Nothing funny in that! What is funny are people trying to say that Newman is actually a 3+ EL average!! Not forgetting that Newman actually beat Woffinden around his home track too! Why can't riders have a combined world league racing average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Not a wolves or woffy fan but any other rider coming back after the same amount of time away as tai would have come back on there last average so don't get the argument tai's average should have been reassessed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Woffinden's last average for Wolves before he returned for the playoffs this year was in 2014, less than 2 years ago. I actually think that had Wolves used Kylmäkorpi in the play offs rather than Woffinden it would not have made any difference, except intimating the opponents. What were Woffinden's scores exactly? He was hardly unbeatable during the play-offs. Edited October 20, 2016 by Col 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Woffinden's last average for Wolves before he returned for the playoffs this year was in 2014, less than 2 years ago. I actually think that had Wolves used Kylmäkorpi in the play offs rather than Woffinden it would not have made any difference, except intimating the opponents. What were Woffinden's scores exactly? He was hardly unbeatable during the play-offs. His presence lifted the team during the last 4 home meetings but his scores were simular to what he achieved in 2014. He fell off a few times too. Missed a few heat 15s. Hes an anomally in the fact that he rides better abroad than in Britain. No lack of effort this time though. Anyway, 2017.... Masters, Thorsell, Howarth and Clegg will hopefully all return as they all have reallistic improvement in their averages, provide entertainment and want to ride for Wolves. Depending on the league format, will decphier the other 3. Selfishly we want Freddie, Bomber and Ashley Morris but If the leagues merge, I suspect we will have to chose between two of Freddie, Bomber, Masters and Thorsell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 His presence lifted the team during the last 4 home meetings but his scores were simular to what he achieved in 2014. He fell off a few times too. Missed a few heat 15s. Hes an anomally in the fact that he rides better abroad than in Britain. No lack of effort this time though. Anyway, 2017.... Masters, Thorsell, Howarth and Clegg will hopefully all return as they all have reallistic improvement in their averages, provide entertainment and want to ride for Wolves. Depending on the league format, will decphier the other 3. Selfishly we want Freddie, Bomber and Ashley Morris but If the leagues merge, I suspect we will have to chose between two of Freddie, Bomber, Masters and Thorsell. If we can keep Fred, Sam and Jacob I'd be happy. Prefer that trio than having Bomber. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 To stop all this controversy Why not have simple rules stated at start of season for all clubs. No tactical changes can be made after mid July(if a rider is not doing his job said club should know by then if not before.This move should be made to help clubs reach the play offs and not be at a late stage where it can be said it is just made to win them the play offs.) Injury to number 1 replacement or Guest Injury to no2 to no5 rider replacement if a team is good enougth for a play off spot they should be good enougth to cover.This may handycap said team but all clubs share the same risk where as now if a team can bring in a stronger rider close to the play off this handycaps the other play off teams through no falt of there own. These rules would stop all claims of ringers being brought in for the play offs. These rules would stop all claims of riders being brought in on false averages to cover injurys. These rules would stop horses for courses riders being brought in. These rules would stop most of the guest riders through out the season that seem to p off most speedway fans.Your own riders will have to up their game to cover. Not ideal but injurys are part of the sport but if all clubs have simple rules to follow then a lot of the controversy in our sport could be avoided and the rules are then the same for all the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Why can't riders have a combined world league racing average? It's an interesting idea, but presumably there would have to be some kind of weighting to reflect the differing standards and match formulas pertaining in each league. Surely the sport's team building processes are complicated enough as they stand? Anyway, I don't think the majority of fans are too bothered how their team's riders perform in Sweden, Poland, Denmark and wherever. It wasn't much consolation to Wolves fans in 2014 that Woffy was tearing up the place in Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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