Bagpuss Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 It would be good to hear a thorough account of this whole episode from every side so we can all make our own minds up. I'd be particularly interested to hear from Mr Pairman, Mr Chapman & the management committee and the new promotion. At the moment we are getting bits and pieces from one particular viewpoint. Everything crossed for all involved with Belle Vue speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 It would be good to hear a thorough account of this whole episode from every side so we can all make our own minds up. I'd be particularly interested to hear from Mr Pairman, Mr Chapman & the management committee and the new promotion. At the moment we are getting bits and pieces from one particular viewpoint. Everything crossed for all involved with Belle Vue speedway. absolutely correct it's the new promotion Pairman and Buster we need to hear from not fans who are putting 2+2 together and making 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 How many riders are owed money and what sort of money are we talking, I think its diabolical I really do these lads have to earn a living most have families to support etc etc, if a team owed me money especially this late in the day I would tell them to jog on and not ride for them in the future.Think you would be surprised over the years of the number of riders that have been owed money and simply had to resign for same club next season on a promise that they would get their money owed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) We have David Gordon's account, why would he lie about those particular events? You have Gordon Pairman's statement issued at the time he withdrew. Read it again particularly the comments at the end; “I'd like to put on record my thanks to Manchester City Council for everything they have done and are doing to make the National Speedway Stadium and the Belle Vue Aces a success and to wish the best of luck to whomsoever is favoured by BSPA to take over this icon of speedway.” He is still a promoter at Poole and no doubt had to consider carefully what he said but I know how I interpret those final few words. Those involved have every opportunity to put forward their side of the story and you might expect that those who disagree with what has been said would be eager to do so. Following the article in the Speedway Star many may think that questions were raised that the chairman of the BSPA must answer. I can understand that it is politic to wait until the future of Belle Vue is settled but silence thereafter is not acceptable. I am not sure why some are calling for the new promoters to make a statement. They were not involved when these events happened so can have no first hand knowledge. Edited February 22, 2017 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just to clarify Who precisely is responsible for seeing the. 2016 riders get paid 1 the old promoters 2 the new promotion 3 the BSPA 4 a n other As GB says it would be good to hear from all parties involved exactly who did what and when and why. I don't think for one moment the SS will do my investigative journalism so we are left with lots of posts, some by members I respect and some I respect less which to be honest is doing no one any favours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred5 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 It`s disgraceful when riders are not paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Absolutely right. An assurance that they 'will get paid' being the best that can be offered at this late stage is pretty disgusting. Is this who 'we' are in Speedway? That we would support those who treat people this way? Utter disgrace. its not just belle vue and it's not just riders , this is widespread in speedway but speedway continues to bury its head and pretend all is rosey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) its not just belle vue and it's not just riders , this is widespread in speedway but speedway continues to bury its head and pretend all is roseyAbsolutely right. I was making no distinction between one set of promoters, or another. Nor between one set of Belle Vue Promoters and another set of Belle Vue Promoters. I have no allegiance to any of them My distinction was between those promoters who are decent enough to believe that the riders should be paid and then do so promptly. And any of those scumbags who do not, or believe that they are the lowliest of priority in their business. Plus their behind-the-scenes facilitators and online apologists who are no better. Edited February 22, 2017 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Think you would be surprised over the years of the number of riders that have been owed money and simply had to resign for same club next season on a promise that they would get their money owed! It shouldn't be like that at all its bloody disgusting and to think of this going on in the past just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Just to clarify Who precisely is responsible for seeing the. 2016 riders get paid 1 the old promoters 2 the new promotion 3 the BSPA 4 a n other As GB says it would be good to hear from all parties involved exactly who did what and when and why. I don't think for one moment the SS will do my investigative journalism so we are left with lots of posts, some by members I respect and some I respect less which to be honest is doing no one any favours. I would think the new people take on the debt when they buy into the thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 The least likely people to take on any debt's will be the new owners. Don't forget the last owners were a limited company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 The least likely people to take on any debt's will be the new owners. Don't forget the last owners were a limited company. Who would be responsible for the debt if that is the case or is it a sweep under the carpet job as seems to be the way in Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) If that is true Phil, as you report it, then why doesn't Mr Philip Rising or his colleagues at Speedway Star start digging round, starting with you, and earn their money as journalists. It is disgraceful that the chairman of the governing body has the power to do this sort of thing and the lackeys on the board allow him to. Then people wonder why we cannot attract high profile sponsers and backers to the sport. Good point David Gordon said in his statement regarding the Aces last year that the BSPA went behind his back regarding the use of the stadium. I did ask the question why Buster Chapman wasn't requested to comment on the Stadium thread but didn't get a response. Post 1756 Is there any reason why you didn't approach the BSPA ? David Gordon's allegation of underhand action, while little to do with the construction, is a pretty strong one. Following the article in the Speedway Star many may think that questions were raised that the chairman of the BSPA must answer. I can understand that it is politic to wait until the future of Belle Vue is settled but silence thereafter is not acceptable. Definitely Thing is, will Speedy Star ask them ? Edited February 22, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Why doesnt someone do an online petition to BSPA asking what their part in the BV saga is. I am sure many forum members would sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Why doesnt someone do an online petition to BSPA asking what their part in the BV saga is. I am sure many forum members would sign. the bspa tell you everything they want you to hear and in a lot of cases that can be a good thing , there is a few on here that know what goes on , not just at belle vue but in general speedway and sometimes it's best kept secret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Good point David Gordon said in his statement regarding the Aces last year that the BSPA went behind his back regarding the use of the stadium. I did ask the question why Buster Chapman wasn't requested to comment on the Stadium thread but didn't get a response. Post 1756 Is there any reason why you didn't approach the BSPA ? David Gordon's allegation of underhand action, while little to do with the construction, is a pretty strong one. Definitely Thing is, will Speedy Star ask them ? YES, when the dust has settled on the new promotion. Some of the remarks on here about 'investigative' journalism make me laugh. We are not the police or even a national newspaper with the money, time and experienced guys in that field. It is hard enough producing a 48 page mag every week on limited resources. If people don't want to talk or limit what they say that is their prerogative. Gordon Pairman declined to embellish his original statement but there was hardly any need. MCC wouldn't comment. The SCB would only confirm that BV's licence was annulled to protect the speedway assets (riders) of the club from the hands of administrators should they be called in. I never said this was the end of the story and more will come out at a future date but nothing will be gained at this stage and until the future of speedway at the NSS is cut and dried. the bspa tell you everything they want you to hear and in a lot of cases that can be a good thing , there is a few on here that know what goes on , not just at belle vue but in general speedway and sometimes it's best kept secret WOULD concur with that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Was Pairman blocked by BSPA because Chapman didn't want the possibility of BV becoming "Poole north"? Would be interested to know what's happened to the previous promoters/owners BOND money, though. Maybe Sir Philip Rising's scope can include this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) the bspa tell you everything they want you to hear and in a lot of cases that can be a good thing , there is a few on here that know what goes on , not just at belle vue but in general speedway and sometimes it's best kept secret WOULD concur with that. Having previously seen and heard many of the happenings within speedway at first hand I DO NOT AGREE with this. I believe everyone's actions should be open and accountable for good or bad, without this there is no deterrent and can even be classed as enticing for people in a position of power to act in an unethical manner. Maybe it is time for the fans who WANT openness and transparency to start a movement and demand answers. ps before anyone comments that it is rich coming from someone who took King's Lynn up into the Elite League in the place of Peterborough and Coventry, I would welcome any questions regarding that especially concerning what involvement the BSPA and other clubs had in that decision, albeit as the press obviously did not have the funds for investigative journalism at that time Edited February 22, 2017 by jchapman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 The speculation and cloke and dagger meetings in smoke filled rooms there could be a movie made of this - but posts on here amazes me surly all any of us want including the villain of the closed season Buster Chapman is the Aces back on track . Or maybe some on here just like to moan and even some will revile in the fact if the Aces was to close . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 The speculation and cloke and dagger meetings in smoke filled rooms there could be a movie made of this - but posts on here amazes me surly all any of us want including the villain of the closed season Buster Chapman is the Aces back on track . Or maybe some on here just like to moan and even some will revile in the fact if the Aces was to close . I can not imagine for one moment anyone would revile in the fact if the Aces were to close. I do however believe people will continue to speculate and ask questions, after all is not what living in a democracy gives people the right to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I can not imagine for one moment anyone would revile in the fact if the Aces were to close. I do however believe people will continue to speculate and ask questions, after all is not what living in a democracy gives people the right to do? read some of the posts some seem to me to almost be enjoying this the I told you so mob for starters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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