Belle Vue 2017

[ray c]

I've never met a more determined rider. He will do anything to get to the top. A little moody yeh but you need that to reach the too. Never accept 2nd.

quite agree about craig 100% and Steve worrall reached his peak don't think so and i don't think you do either

[Phil The Ace]

quite agree about craig 100% and Steve worrall reached his peak don't think so and i don't think you do either

Haha a good old shovvy wind up. We love them.

 

Only thing with Stevie is how he takes to his brother being ignored. He could take the funny's but then again is a dog eat dog world speedway. And if your numbers don't first. Your out

[WestGorton1884]

Craig Cook is a Aces legend in the making ,

Personally I'd love to see Dimitri Berge in the BV line up ,

Think he's got the potential to be a top class rider

[Gavan]

If its Cook, Fricke and Steve Worral they will be battling with Leicester for the wooden spoon. Can't see Cook getting any better. Fricke yes loads of improvement. Worrall, reckon he is at his peak as well. The problem of trying to put together a team late in the day.

Ah you got to love a troll.

 

Cook only marginally behind Kasprzaks average

Fricke is 0.07 behind Andersen who is on the downgrade and Fricke on the way up

Steve Worrall is better than Jack Holder as the third heat leader

 

Your trolling comments are laughable

 

If you think Belle Vue will struggle then so will Poole.

 

I think Craig cook will get better this season always liked Craig thought he was coming to Poole at one stage but that did not happen

As a Brit would like to see him kick on more

[waiheke1]

Kk is better than cook. Fricke and Andersen I think will be about the same. I expect kurtz will outperform s worrall in the 3rd hl spot.

I don't expect aces will be bottom 2 unless they name a surprisingly awful side.

Even a top 5 of say cook fricke worrall X2 Jacobs I think would be strong enough at home to see aces finish ahead of somerset and Leicester.

But to say if aces will struggle then poole will is ridiculous. Poole have clearly one of the top 2 sides.

[Sidney the robin]

This league is weaker and i wouldn't take much notice what the Poole clown says.I hope Cook has a strong year really like him so determined Fricke also is a class act with both Worrall's capable of improvement bottom of the table material i think not.The only negative thing i can say about the Aces is they have no home track advantage i hope they have a good year and PLEASE stage the British Final.

[Phil The Ace]

There is no Richie at belle vue. Only 1 worrall

[Gavan]

Kk is better than cook. Fricke and Andersen I think will be about the same. I expect kurtz will outperform s worrall in the 3rd hl spot.

I don't expect aces will be bottom 2 unless they name a surprisingly awful side.

Even a top 5 of say cook fricke worrall X2 Jacobs I think would be strong enough at home to see aces finish ahead of somerset and Leicester.

But to say if aces will struggle then poole will is ridiculous. Poole have clearly one of the top 2 sides.

KK was 0.6 better than Cook last season, thats not much and out of the 2 maybe Cook will improve.

Fricke and Andersen averaged the same last season and Hans wasnt a heat leader for some of that. I would expect the improving Fricke to average more than Andersen who isnt going to get better

Granted nothing between Kurtz and Worrall.

So not much between Belle Vues heat leaders and Pooles in my opinion.

 

The troll said with those 3 heat leaders Belle Vue will struggle with Leicester.

 

Im merely pointing out that nothing between Belle Vues top 3 and Pooles , therefore if he thinks one will struggle then so would the other! Just tongue in cheek aimed at someone whose sole purpose is to wind others up

[foreverblue]

KK was 0.6 better than Cook last season, thats not much and out of the 2 maybe Cook will improve.

Fricke and Andersen averaged the same last season and Hans wasnt a heat leader for some of that. I would expect the improving Fricke to average more than Andersen who isnt going to get better

Granted nothing between Kurtz and Worrall.

So not much between Belle Vues heat leaders and Pooles in my opinion.

 

The troll said with those 3 heat leaders Belle Vue will struggle with Leicester.

 

Im merely pointing out that nothing between Belle Vues top 3 and Pooles , therefore if he thinks one will struggle then so would the other! Just tongue in cheek aimed at someone whose sole purpose is to wind others up

I don't think KK has his best season and i hope there is more to come from him. He has proved in the past he is better than Cook but i hope Cook has a good season for Belle Vue's sake and and for GB in the world cup.

In my opinion Fricke can be a top rider but up to to know has to prove it, Andersen has been a top rider but isn't what he was so not much to choose between them.

Kurtz is good but still needs to prove he can do it on a regular basis and Worrall is the same, both have potential.

I have high hopes for Jack holder and think he can improve a lot this season and you always need improving riders in any team, who will be the big improver in Belle Vue's team.

[Guest]

Sounds very wise. Why stump up the hard earned for unfinished facilities.

[IronScorpion]

Apparently the new owners still haven't signed the deal with the council yet? Sounds like they're not prepared to have their pants down over the temp terrace and bogs, insisting the stadium is finished or at the very least the council pay for the temp facilities.

 

Exactly my point. Gordon & Morton should have done the same or, at least, told the council & stadium builders to share the cost as the build was unfinished.

 

Just because the new owners/managers have some financial clout, does not mean they have to pay to finish the build. A price must have been made for the finished stadium, which as everyone knows is not, so someone is cheating/robbing someone else.

Edited February 10, 2017 by IronScorpion

[Shale Searcher]

Perhaps this is the reason the BSPA made sure Coventry got to tapes up (albeit at Leicester) just in case Belle Cue wasn't done and dusted by tapes up....? It may not be signed/sealed in time for BV to start season on time, but with Cov temporarily using Leicester, at least they are Sky compliant regards minimum 8 teams on track....

[hyderd]

I don't think KK has his best season and i hope there is more to come from him. He has proved in the past he is better than Cook but i hope Cook has a good season for Belle Vue's sake and and for GB in the world cup.

In my opinion Fricke can be a top rider but up to to know has to prove it, Andersen has been a top rider but isn't what he was so not much to choose between them.

Kurtz is good but still needs to prove he can do it on a regular basis and Worrall is the same, both have potential.

I have high hopes for Jack holder and think he can improve a lot this season and you always need improving riders in any team, who will be the big improver in Belle Vue's team.

In this season's weaker league we only have to be as good as last season. So looks like a Belle Vue v Wolves final again.

 

PS KK has too many mood swings, if he put 100% into his rides, 100% of the time, he would be fighting it out with the big guns in the GP's. So yes he is better than Cookie, but I would sooner have Cookie in my team as I know he will always give 100%, 100% of the time.

[Steve Shovlar]

For someone to say Cook is as good as Kk is ridiculous. Like saying AFC Bournemouth are as good as Arsenal. Occassionally able to match them over one match but always behind. One having been 2nd in the world while the other can't even get a ride abroad.

 

Fricke is going places and will be BV's shining light. But now this is their second season there is no excuse with the track. A season riding on it brings lots of home advantage with setups and racing lines. They can't fall back on that old chestnut this time around.

 

Struggling to see where heat advantages are going to come from. Unless they sign a proper number one they won't reach the heights of last season.

 

Just my opinion of course

In this season's weaker league we only have to be as good as last season. So looks like a Belle Vue v Wolves final again.

 

PS KK has too many mood swings, if he put 100% into his rides, 100% of the time, he would be fighting it out with the big guns in the GP's. So yes he is better than Cookie, but I would sooner have Cookie in my team as I know he will always give 100%, 100% of the time.

But Cooks 100% is probably KK's 70%. No comparison between the two riders. You should be comparing Cook to King and Batchelor.

[Sidney the robin]

For someone to say Cook is as good as Kk is ridiculous. Like saying AFC Bournemouth are as good as Arsenal. Occassionally able to match them over one match but always behind. One having been 2nd in the world while the other can't even get a ride abroad.

 

Fricke is going places and will be BV's shining light. But now this is their second season there is no excuse with the track. A season riding on it brings lots of home advantage with setups and racing lines. They can't fall back on that old chestnut this time around.

 

Struggling to see where heat advantages are going to come from. Unless they sign a proper number one they won't reach the heights of last season.

 

Just my opinion of course

 

But Cooks 100% is probably KK's 70%. No comparison between the two riders. You should be comparing Cook to King and Batchelor.

How many teams have a proper number 1? not many don't you grasp it that this is a watered down league. Also even your side does not have a no1 on who you could put your life on everyweek (ie) like Adams/Crump.

[Gavan]

For someone to say Cook is as good as Kk is ridiculous. Like saying AFC Bournemouth are as good as Arsenal. Occassionally able to match them over one match but always behind. One having been 2nd in the world while the other can't even get a ride abroad.

 

Fricke is going places and will be BV's shining light. But now this is their second season there is no excuse with the track. A season riding on it brings lots of home advantage with setups and racing lines. They can't fall back on that old chestnut this time around.

 

Struggling to see where heat advantages are going to come from. Unless they sign a proper number one they won't reach the heights of last season.

 

Just my opinion of course

 

But Cooks 100% is probably KK's 70%. No comparison between the two riders. You should be comparing Cook to King and Batchelor.

What a load of rubbish but par for the course.

 

Just over half a point between KK and Cook last year. Not much really and KK isnt exactly getting any better and Cook might.

 

I would say KK is the better rider still but nothing between them and its how you build the rest of the side thats important.

 

Pooles top 3 certainly isnt the strongest in the league but their second strings are. And along with having the second strongest reserve in the league in Klindt its that what makes Poole strong.

 

Belle Vues top 3 is as strong as Pooles but that wont mean anything if the rest of the side is poor.

[foreverblue]

In this season's weaker league we only have to be as good as last season. So looks like a Belle Vue v Wolves final again.

 

PS KK has too many mood swings, if he put 100% into his rides, 100% of the time, he would be fighting it out with the big guns in the GP's. So yes he is better than Cookie, but I would sooner have Cookie in my team as I know he will always give 100%, 100% of the time.

KK did fight with the big guns in the GP's and was successful until he had a very poor season in the GP's which was a bit of a mystery, there is no reason to suggest he will have a poor season and i have every confidence he will perform to his best, he is loved at Poole and will be a match winner. Cook is a good rider and seems to give his all most of the time but every rider has his off nights.

[Phil The Ace]

All this comparison of belle Vues top 3 to pooles top 3

 

Wait and see who belle Vues top 3 is first

 

As buster says. These new owners are about to ruffle a few feathers

Edited February 10, 2017 by Phil The Ace

[stevebrum]

For someone to say Cook is as good as Kk is ridiculous.

 

But Cooks 100% is probably KK's 70%. No comparison between the two riders. You should be comparing Cook to King and Batchelor.

Is anyone really saying Cook is as good as KK?

That said of course they are comparable as both ride in the EL as heat leaders.

The problem with KK is that he all to often rides at 70% so anyone that gives 100% is their equal when you look over a season long average.

One on one KK is likely to win everytime but then, as you keep pointing out he is a former world number 2 so should be head and shoulders over a rider like Cook. However he isn't. Cook finished the year with a 7.37 whilst KK was 7.91. Head and shoulders above?? Above yes. Head and shoulders no. Just over half a point better isn't head and shoulders.

KK has had one season at world class level when he finished number 2 in the world. Very much a one off as has never looked close to that in any other year.

 

For me despite all the arguments and discussions about KK its what they both do at our top flight level that's the only thing that's it's important. And given their averages are just over half a point in separation in the most recent season we have had they are very much comparable.

KK SHOULD be head and shoulders above a lot of riders but he isn't.

KK is likely to be the higher averaged rider every season but you never know what you are going to get with him. At his spiritual home he should have a superb season.

That said given the choice I'd have Cook 100 times out of 100 over the 2.

Edited February 10, 2017 by stevebrum

[Halifaxtiger]

Apparently the new owners still haven't signed the deal with the council yet? Sounds like they're not prepared to have their pants down over the temp terrace and bogs, insisting the stadium is finished or at the very least the council pay for the temp facilities.

 

So they should, at least to a degree.

 

Its never really been a case of the stadium being finished but who pays for the facilities to bring it up to scratch if it isn't. That's down to the landlord, not the tenant.

 

The council can use the 'several hundred thousand pounds' they withheld from the contractor to pay for it.