waiheke1 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 IT wasn't seating ... it was terracing. The £18 grand was for the West stand ... first bend. A temporary grandstand (seats)) was installed at the west end of the stadium for the SWC and was sold out. Ok terracing, semantics surely.My point is - if most weeks they got less than 1800 fans, why rent the South TERRACING and west STAND? Why not pack them into the grandstand? As for toilets, I can find steel portaloo for under a hundred quid a week for a block of five. Therefore I struggle to see how they should have been paying more than say five hundred quid per home meeting or say 10k per season excluding playoffs and swc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ok terracing, semantics surely. My point is - if most weeks they got less than 1800 fans, why rent the South TERRACING and west STAND? Why not pack them into the grandstand? As for toilets, I can find steel portaloo for under a hundred quid a week for a block of five. Therefore I struggle to see how they should have been paying more than say five hundred quid per home meeting or say 10k per season excluding playoffs and swc? Correct, 1800 seats would be ample I would suggest, and no need for 'back straight bogs' as everyones 'needs' will be met by the grandstand facilities.. Whether 1800 people max is enough to pay the bills is however another matter... As is how many wouldn't go if you had to sit down rather than stand..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Imagine that when the Speedway Star do issue their findings, it will be over several editions - even more money grabbing by those in the "sport". perhaps the online edition may even have the EASTENDERS dum-dums for added effect !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I would imagine the BSPA know exactly what is going on. They know the management structure and promoter - BUT cannot reveal anything publicly until Manchester Council's legal boys have carried out all their required checks and agreed various issues within the new agreement!! Riders - especially those that have been spoken to - have been instructed not to say anything or give any hints until the Council approval has been received hopefully within the next few days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 . Of course it is about the costs! Who in their right mind would spend 70k on renting bogs! But they did! Are they all mad enough to do it again? Or, are they really being built for this season, that is what I was asking. Seems an outrageous amount to me but I suspect if it was case of paying that or closing the team down it might not seem so pricey. It doesn't matter if they are being built. What matters is whether the speedway club will have to pay for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 ...Mark lemon and another are going to be promoters... Firstly, I know Mark Lemon has managed team affairs but when has he ever been in a position to gain a promoters license? Which, secondly, begs the question of who the BSPA licensed promoter will be who will be holding the reigns at Belle Vue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Wonder if Neil Machin (I think thats his name) might be involved, was a co-promoter at Leicester and had something to do with Sheffield. Not heard any mention of him being involved at either club and neither clubs he's been involved with are a million miles from Manchester. Believe he must have a promoters licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Firstly, I know Mark Lemon has managed team affairs but when has he ever been in a position to gain a promoters license? Which, secondly, begs the question of who the BSPA licensed promoter will be who will be holding the reigns at Belle Vue? He will be shadowed by a more experienced promoter. That's how it normally happens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 It will be similar to when new Leicester opened.... David Hemsley and Alan Jones were the promotors, neither had done it before, and we had Eric Boocock in an almost supervisory promoter role... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thank goodness RS is wealthy as the old maxim definitely still applies to speedway. If you want to make a million out of speedway - start with five million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) So is George Carswell still involved as the 'official' promoter or was he part of one of the 'unapproved' consortia? Edited February 9, 2017 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 No George is not involved unfortunately Richie sites he's not back at belle vue. Shame that. Got stitched up for being loyal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Very disappointed that George is not involved. Equally if Richie is not in the side , that is equally disappointing as he stood by Belle Vue over the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I think Ritchie new average of 8.49 makes it hard to accommodate him , hopefully we'll see him back at BV , maybe next year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I think Ritchie new average of 8.49 makes it hard to accommodate him , hopefully we'll see him back at BV , maybe next year ? Now this is another situation of speedway shooting its own foot off, in fact, shooting both legs off, and an arm, and both ears and nose!!! Breaking up a team because of an average not fitting.. A rule needs bringing in, that if you retain riders, from season to season, averages don't come into it... There must be a way for this to work.. keeping riders season to season... Fans can get really attached to riders in their team, but the team is then forced to get rid, to comply with rules.. Got to be a way to reward club/rider rider/club loyalty..?? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 A rule needs bringing in, that if you retain riders, from season to season, averages don't come into it... BEEN saying that for decades.There is no continuity of teams now which is bad for fans too. One minute Joe Bloggs is your favourite rider, the next he is off somewhere else through no faults of his own. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Now this is another situation of speedway shooting its own foot off, in fact, shooting both legs off, and an arm, and both ears and nose!!! Breaking up a team because of an average not fitting.. A rule needs bringing in, that if you retain riders, from season to season, averages don't come into it... There must be a way for this to work.. keeping riders season to season... Fans can get really attached to riders in their team, but the team is then forced to get rid, to comply with rules.. Got to be a way to reward club/rider rider/club loyalty..?? Any rider who returns to a club should get a 5% average reduction, and a further 5% for ever one of their first 10 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Now this is another situation of speedway shooting its own foot off, in fact, shooting both legs off, and an arm, and both ears and nose!!! Breaking up a team because of an average not fitting.. A rule needs bringing in, that if you retain riders, from season to season, averages don't come into it... There must be a way for this to work.. keeping riders season to season... Fans can get really attached to riders in their team, but the team is then forced to get rid, to comply with rules.. Got to be a way to reward club/rider rider/club loyalty..?? I agree. Can't see why they can't give a 5% or 10% average deduction for a rider retained from the previous season. Rider has to have ridden 50% of previous season's league fixtures to qualify. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 BEEN saying that for decades.There is no continuity of teams now which is bad for fans too. One minute Joe Bloggs is your favourite rider, the next he is off somewhere else through no faults of his own. I know it's a different league, but Newcastle (in the SGB Championship) have brought back 6 of last season's 7 for 2017. Similarly, Scunthorpe are bringing back the whole 7 who finished 2016! So it does happen occasionally!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 This reduction for loyal riders is a good idea. but a lot more thought must be put into it first because you could finish up with very strong teams and very weak ones. I like to see close matches as I am sure most supporters would agree. But it is a pity that good riders are frozen out especially British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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