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There's plenty who don't. I don't miss your 'likes', but i appreciate it when others do like what I comment.

 

Just like Coventry fans should forget 2010 AGM, you need to get out of the Subedei influence.

 

At least I try to contribute to discussions, but you just attack others contribution. Nil contribution from you.

 

Time for you to jog on.

Coventry fans can't forget the 2010 AGM as it was the catalyst for events that happened this winter!

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There's plenty who don't. I don't miss your 'likes', but i appreciate it when others do like what I comment.

 

Just like Coventry fans should forget 2010 AGM, you need to get out of the Subedei influence.

 

At least I try to contribute to discussions, but you just attack others contribution. Nil contribution from you.

 

Time for you to jog on.

 

What does that mean?

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DG and MORT were told the track was not fit for the opening night but still went ahead.Who in their right mind would allow a builder to lay a speedway track you would insist somebody like Bridget to manage the project its like saying your a window cleaner please install my Central heating.

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So, some promoters knew something was amiss at the NSS, and allegedly refused to take any tickets to sell to their fans..

 

What was it that they knew, and why did they keep it to themselves? Why didn't they discuss it with other BSPA members, ask for an extraordinary meeting to vex, or to sort out the problem/s then?

 

Just wondering why they kept it to themselves, whilst it also festered away, and probably got worse, as the season went on...

 

Why didn't any of them bring the problem up???

 

Interesting questions. Sadly we still haven't been told which clubs/promoters allegedly wouldn't/refused to sell tickets so all of them are tarred with the same brush. With the exception of Poole of course, as Steve Shovlar has posted that they did sell tickets :wink:

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DG and MORT were told the track was not fit for the opening night but still went ahead.Who in their right mind would allow a builder to lay a speedway track you would insist somebody like Bridget to manage the project its like saying your a window cleaner please install my Central heating.

Meredith was our track man. An official SCB track inspector. He could only observe and when he did intervene ISG firmly removed him from the area stating he wasn't allowed in the construction site.

 

It was out of belle Vues hand that ISG laid the track.

 

They did a good job with the straights and 1st and 2nd bend. Just the 3rd and 4th bend was the problem and that's mainly because that was the entrance for all the heavy machinery coming in and out of the site

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Meredith was our track man. An official SCB track inspector. He could only observe and when he did intervene ISG firmly removed him from the area stating he wasn't allowed in the construction site.

 

It was out of belle Vues hand that ISG laid the track.

 

They did a good job with the straights and 1st and 2nd bend. Just the 3rd and 4th bend was the problem and that's mainly because that was the entrance for all the heavy machinery coming in and out of the site

 

I quite agree, and the contractors used inferior infill, which was the real cause of the problem, which was covered up with the shale topping. Be interesting to hear everything when the SS is allowed to report on the happenings. It will put to bed a lot of nonsense that has been put on the BSF.

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Meredith was our track man. An official SCB track inspector. He could only observe and when he did intervene ISG firmly removed him from the area stating he wasn't allowed in the construction site.

 

It was out of belle Vues hand that ISG laid the track.

 

They did a good job with the straights and 1st and 2nd bend. Just the 3rd and 4th bend was the problem and that's mainly because that was the entrance for all the heavy machinery coming in and out of the site

 

This has been mentioned time and time again Phil, but still some posters insist on trying to put the full blame on the 2 people who bank rolled Belle Vue year on year to bring us the NSS.

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Interesting questions. Sadly we still haven't been told which clubs/promoters allegedly wouldn't/refused to sell tickets so all of them are tarred with the same brush. With the exception of Poole of course, as Steve Shovlar has posted that they did sell tickets :wink:

the problem was, as far as I understand, that clubs wanting to sell tickets had to pay up front for them and they were non returnable (refundable). If they didn't sell the club lost out. I know a few years ago of at least one club selling them at a reduced price a week before Cardiff just to try to get rid of them and recoup some of the money.

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Can't believe this is still being discussed,its been done and dusted.Let's hope for some team news soon and whether the south stand is going to be completed.

 

 

 

This has been mentioned time and time again Phil, but still some posters insist on trying to put the full blame on the 2 people who bank rolled Belle Vue year on year to bring us the NSS.

 

I can't understand why this is still being debated on here. This is BV 2017 so can't we move on?!

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the problem was, as far as I understand, that clubs wanting to sell tickets had to pay up front for them and they were non returnable (refundable). If they didn't sell the club lost out. I know a few years ago of at least one club selling them at a reduced price a week before Cardiff just to try to get rid of them and recoup some of the money.

 

If that's the case I can totally understand clubs not wanting to sell them. In fact I am amazed that the supposedly brilliant businessman (we are constantly told) Matt Ford did sell them ;)

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DG and MORT were told the track was not fit for the opening night but still went ahead.Who in their right mind would allow a builder to lay a speedway track you would insist somebody like Bridget to manage the project its like saying your a window cleaner please install my Central heating.

YOU need to get your facts straight. The contractors laid the sub-base and the top surface of shale which was then worked on by Colin Meredith.

 

Although there were concerns about turns 3 and 4 in the days leading up to opening night, improved weather led all concerned, included SCB'S Gaham Reeve and track specialist Doc Bridgett to feel that the track would be okay on race night. It was still okay during the day.

 

But as the temperature dropped and moisture started to rise from the sub-base, for reasons which were later found to be caused by the rubbish used in the sub-base at that part of the track and the fact that an old hockey pitch had not been broken up.. Meredith felt that the surface was getting softer and was a potential problem. By that stage people were already in attendance and the riders felt it was too dangerous and declined to ride.

If the Speedway Star is struggling to get copy approval, perhaps they should be an FoI into MCC asking for all the documents, emails, letters, records of conversations, PostIt notes relating to the NSS.

 

Anything that an FoI turned up would be legally privileged.

WE have most of that. MCC keep ignoring requests for comment and you can probably draw your own conclusions from that. Have told them that we will go ahead if they refuse to answers all the questions that we have put to them.

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YOU need to get your facts straight. The contractors laid the sub-base and the top surface of shale which was then worked on by Colin Meredith.

 

Although there were concerns about turns 3 and 4 in the days leading up to opening night, improved weather led all concerned, included SCB'S Gaham Reeve and track specialist Doc Bridgett to feel that the track would be okay on race night. It was still okay during the day.

 

But as the temperature dropped and moisture started to rise from the sub-base, for reasons which were later found to be caused by the rubbish used in the sub-base at that part of the track and the fact that an old hockey pitch had not been broken up.. Meredith felt that the surface was getting softer and was a potential problem. By that stage people were already in attendance and the riders felt it was too dangerous and declined to ride.

I reckon you need to get your facts right ...it was common knowledge that the track was unfit long before the night of the meeting ...it was all over this forum and back up with comments from riders havy etc ....and come the night of meeting that was shown to be true ..the bottom line is Morton and Gordon were into deep and choose to take a gamble by running the meeting a gamble that once riders took to the track never worked .

 

Don't know what the point of your piece in the speedway star is going to be as clearly all it's going to be doing is sticking up for your mates ..

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Sadly Philip Rising, how wonderful it would be if we could get the true facts given to supporters. The SS either has factually correct information it can prove OR it hasn't. I don't think that the truth will ever be known. Whatever the real reasons for the first night / first few weeks debacle at the NSS - Gordon & Morton failed to pay the rent ( we are assured this a fact) and that was never going to be acceptable in the modern business world. It was not the MCC who took away the promoters licence, it was the consortium of other promoters who make up the BSPA. There has to be some serious reason for that to have happened.

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I reckon you need to get your facts right ...it was common knowledge that the track was unfit long before the night of the meeting ...it was all over this forum and back up with comments from riders havy etc ....and come the night of meeting that was shown to be true ..the bottom line is Morton and Gordon were into deep and choose to take a gamble by running the meeting a gamble that once riders took to the track never worked .

 

Don't know what the point of your piece in the speedway star is going to be as clearly all it's going to be doing is sticking up for your mates ..

I HAVE already told you that then track was inspected on Friday and deemed to be okay. And on Saturday morning too.

 

I am not sticking up for anyone. What SS intends doing is printing various documents that will show exactly what went on regarding the track, before and after opening night. You can then draw your own conclusions. But MCC seemingly don't want that.

 

Also, regarding rent. David Gordon says that the NSS was never formally handed over to them and rent due because the stadium was never completed - no back straight terrace, no permanent toilets and various other faults, including a leaking grandstand roof, as per their contract. Again, we will publish documents to supplement his argument as and when we can.

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This latest, 2017 version, of the events of last March is certainly advantageous to DG and CM.

 

I am just not sure that it 'chimes' with contemporaneous reports and recollections that were recorded last year.

Closer to the night in question.

 

The idea that the track was 'okay' during the day of the GOM but then massively deteriorated just in the coldoif the evening is one that I have only read in recent weeks. And even then from only one person.

 

Could anyone provide a link to a quote online, or in the Star, where this specific claim was made around the time of the meeting itself?

Or at any time during 2016.

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