Stoke Potter Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Maybe someone could name the clubs that wouldn't sell tickets for the British Final. Or perhaps fans could just say if their club was selling tickets for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I don't pretend to know all the issues here but the way I see it: 1. If ISG did not complete the building of the stadium on-time & to the specified requirements they must be responsible? 2. If the landlord MCC have not fulfilled their obligations to the tenants Gordon/Morton then they must be responsible? 3. If Gordon/Morton have withheld the rent (build not completed) this is an everyday action in landlord/tenant disputes. 4. If Gordon/Morton have debts within speedway that's not good, but how much effect did the cancelled meetings have on their finances? I have seen some details online showing huge losses by ISG. All said Belle Vue speedway is currently the best race track in the U.K. & must be up & running in 2017. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 WE are still waiting for legal clearance for Speedway Star to publish its story of what actually took place regarding the NSS, Manchester City Council, the construction company ISG and David Gordon and Chris Morton last year. We have now been promised a statement from Roger Williams, Media Lead, at MCC but so far it has not been forthcoming. Sooner (hopefully) or later we will publish and while Messrs Gordon and Morton are not totally blameless, they were certainly not responsible for all the faults with bends 3 and 4 on the track which ultimately caused the cancellation of the opening meeting and the postponement of others immediately afterwards which subsequently caused grave financial difficulties, Isn't there an old saying connected with journalism - publish and be damned. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 what about the other old saying-publish and be sued? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 what about the other old saying-publish and be sued? Sued on what grounds? If The Speedway Star article is factually correct, there can be no grounds for court action, surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Or perhaps fans could just say if their club was selling tickets for it. It's not fans of other clubs that made the statement that some clubs wouldn't sell BF tickets. All I'm asking is those that made the statement name those clubs. Not too much to ask IMHO. If they don't then all or any club has the accusation hanging over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 You don't get it do you. Buster on behalf of the BSPA has/had to make decisions for the good of speedway and Belle Vue. A lot in the BSPA were not impressed with the happenings at BV, and in particular one person. Remember that some promotions refused to sell tickets for the British Final because of what they knew. Buster had to be involved at the end to assist the process, and if in fact two of Gordon's mates were/are the main men, it is no wonder he might have doubts. Without Buster, nothing could have happened at Belle Vue, and it is the BSPA that issue licences to people about a certain criteria. Maybe someone could name the clubs that wouldn't sell tickets for the British Final. Perhaps Tsunami who first mentioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Why would other clubs sell tickets? If you want a ticket before the event go to the bv website. It was never going to be a sellout so why print tickets in the first place? Just turn up and pay on the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Inevitably in landlord / tenant disputes the tenant who refuses to pay their rent as due will be kicked out after a legal process ( sometimes lengthy sometimes not ) butt he end result is always the same. The tenant is kicked out. In this case the tenants own association stepped in promptly in order that the sport didn't lose the use of the stadium. Ergo Gordon and Morton failed in their obligations as tenants. I don't believe that G&M had absolutely no say in the design and building of the track - how else would Bob the Builder know what to do? They might haver watched videos of Kirky Lane and then what would you have ended up with as a supposed NSS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 They did design the shape of the track but had no say in the construction that was between the council, the builders and apparently their sub contractors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Are Speedway Star any closer to issuing their Manchester City Council Press Release that doubles up as the "in depth account" of the shenanigans at the NSS over the last 12 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Why would other clubs sell tickets? If you want a ticket before the event go to the bv website. It was never going to be a sellout so why print tickets in the first place? Just turn up and pay on the night. You miss the point. Tsunami is telling us that some promoters refused to sell them apparently, because of what they knew, whatever that was. That implies that they were requested to do so, you can't refuse if you haven't been asked. We know that anybody could have bought them online from Belle Vue but I suspect that some fans would prefer not to do that and instead be able to buy them at their local track rather than on the night, particularly so if they wanted particular seats. Edited February 5, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I assume from the sudden appearance of the Dorset propaganda machine that Lord Ford was one of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Not Poole. Final tickets were available - especially after buying all those bricks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Gordon and Morton always spoke well of Matt Ford, not sure why. Maybe that was their downfall. Edited February 5, 2017 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Why would other clubs sell tickets? If you want a ticket before the event go to the bv website. It was never going to be a sellout so why print tickets in the first place? Just turn up and pay on the night. Exactly. Some people on here are going into overdrive at a potential dig at the BSPA, individual promotions, etc. BSF at it's usual best. Nobody has to sell tickets for others events, hence the reason all the advertising and info gathering, was being concentrated on the organisation awarded to run the event. In the past, promotions have taken tickets to sell for big events like Telford, and get a set ratio of free tickets depending on how many they sold. Perhaps this time there was no incentive, I don't know, given that the main direction for tickets was BV who could sell them direct online. I am aware of some concerns, and other promotions might have elected to keep out of it, given what had gone on before it. That is for others to consider. Are Speedway Star any closer to issuing their Manchester City Council Press Release that doubles up as the "in depth account" of the shenanigans at the NSS over the last 12 months? Try reading post #1514 and be informed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Exactly. Some people on here are going into overdrive at a potential dig at the BSPA, individual promotions, etc. BSF at it's usual best. Nobody has to sell tickets for others events, hence the reason all the advertising and info gathering, was being concentrated on the organisation awarded to run the event. In the past, promotions have taken tickets to sell for big events like Telford, and get a set ratio of free tickets depending on how many they sold. Perhaps this time there was no incentive, I don't know, given that the main direction for tickets was BV who could sell them direct online. I am aware of some concerns, and other promotions might have elected to keep out of it, given what had gone on before it. That is for others to consider. Try reading post #1514 and be informed. So when you said "Remember that some promotions refused to sell tickets for the British Final because of what they knew" what you meant was " I am aware of some concerns, and other promotions might have elected to keep out of it, given what had gone on before it. That is for others to consider." Then you have the temerity to criticise those who thought you meant what your original words actually said. Edited February 5, 2017 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) So when you said "Remember that some promotions refused to sell tickets for the British Final because of what they knew" what you meant was " I am aware of some concerns, and other promotions might have elected to keep out of it, given what had gone on before it. That is for others to consider." Then you have the temerity to criticise those who thought you meant what your original words actually said. That statement is true because of the concerns they had and knew. They were not compelled to sell tickets and didn't. Hi KevH, still on the case I see. Saaad. Edited February 5, 2017 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 That statement is true because of the concerns they had and knew. They were not compelled to sell tickets and didn't. So why not name them then. If the facts are true, and I have no reason to think they are not, simply name them. As you say it was not compulsory so they have done no wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Would you sell tickets after the shambles of the opening meeting after they were told the track was not fit for racing but still went ahead. My answer to any fan of my club would be contact Belle Vue direct at your pearl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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