Stoke Potter Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 You'd think DG would have washed his hands with this sport after the way Buster behaved and the massive losses he's had in getting the jewel in speedways somewhat tarnished crown up and running. He brought these guys into the sport to be part of his team and he see them finally at the helm following his retirement. Looks like his executive seat will kept warm for him, where he can survey his achievement every week without all the nonsense chipping away at him. Cheers sir, and if you can find it in your heart to forgive and forget we'd all like to see you replicate this and get new stadiums up and running finally in all these towns and cities sadly currently lost to the sport. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to imagine much jealousy within the BSPA ranks when DG & Mort, etc. managed to achieve a world class speedway stadium in one one of the biggest cities in country. Particularly when you get the impression most of them would actually struggle to put a polo mint track in a field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) You'd think DG would have washed his hands with this sport after the way Buster behaved and the massive losses he's had in getting the jewel in speedways somewhat tarnished crown up and running. He brought these guys into the sport to be part of his team and he see them finally at the helm following his retirement. Looks like his executive seat will kept warm for him, where he can survey his achievement every week without all the nonsense chipping away at him. Cheers sir, and if you can find it in your heart to forgive and forget we'd all like to see you replicate this and get new stadiums up and running finally in all these towns and cities sadly currently lost to the sport. At last some news,does it matter who these people are mates with.You have all forgotten who got the new stadium built,David Gordon and Chris Morton no less.Have you also forgotten who kept speedway going for ten years against all odds at the dog hole,yes Gordon and Morton no less.I .They worked there socks off for Belle Vue think blame should not be all piled on these two. iSG THE BUILDERS DID NOT COMPLETE THE STADIUM LET ALONE THE TRACK ON TIME when my husband ran a building firm in the seventy's he was held to a contract on big jobs to complete all work by certain dates or would have to pay a penalty clause to the customers.But i have no dout this builder who does a lot of work for the council ,will have is back covered by certain pals in said council my husband bless him had problems with them they look after there mates . Edited February 4, 2017 by bw double 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Ah yes the famous winter of discontent. The time when the most fans agree that the sport took a massive turn for the worse. Proven by the current situation the sport finds itself in, yet you think it should be all forgotten. Well I've got news for you , it won't be. Not often I agree with you but this is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) Not often I agree with you but this is spot on. Of course it won't. Sandhu has a lot to answer for. Should imagine he wouldn't dare show his face at Any speedway meeting again. Coventry fans will never let him forget how he wrecked a club and stadium out of spite. Edited February 4, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Of course it won't. Sandhu has a lot to answer for. Should imagine he wouldn't dare show his face at Any speedway meeting again. Coventry fans will never let him forget how he wrecked a club and stadium out of spite. You will be telling us next that the 2010 dispute was all Sandhu's doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 That would be the calamity morons who actually got the stadium built and who kept the Aces going despite the financial losses incurred during the years at the dog track. Without them there would be no stadium and no team to save. It will be interesting to find out just what constructive part Chapman has played in all of this. Rice and Southwell have connections to David Gordon so I suspect their involvement had nothing to do with Buster. Given Buster Chapman's remarkable interventions at Leicester and Coventry I doubt very much that his role was negative. You don't get it do you. Buster on behalf of the BSPA has/had to make decisions for the good of speedway and Belle Vue. A lot in the BSPA were not impressed with the happenings at BV, and in particular one person. Remember that some promotions refused to sell tickets for the British Final because of what they knew. Buster had to be involved at the end to assist the process, and if in fact two of Gordon's mates were/are the main men, it is no wonder he might have doubts. Without Buster, nothing could have happened at Belle Vue, and it is the BSPA that issue licences to people about a certain criteria. It would be very wrong if Chapman went into this with any form of prejudice against a potential promotion simply because they were friends with David Gordon. Lets face it, Tony Rice is the calibre of businessman that makes those in charge of all the other tracks across the country look distinctly small time (one internet report said his salary at Cable & Wireless was £700k per annum) and it would have been a true disaster if his takeover bid had been endangered because of such an attitude. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to imagine much jealousy within the BSPA ranks when DG & Mort, etc. managed to achieve a world class speedway stadium in one one of the biggest cities in country. Particularly when you get the impression most of them would actually struggle to put a polo mint track in a field. I know that certain members of the BSPA (not Matt Ford) both dismissed and ridiculed the plans for the NSS so it doesn't take a lot to believe that some were jealous. At last some news,does it matter who these people are mates with.You have all forgotten who got the new stadium built,David Gordon and Chris Morton no less.Have you also forgotten who kept speedway going for ten years against all odds at the dog hole,yes Gordon and Morton no less.I .They worked there socks off for Belle Vue think blame should not be all piled on these two. iSG THE BUILDERS DID NOT COMPLETE THE STADIUM LET ALONE THE TRACK ON TIME when my husband ran a building firm in the seventy's he was held to a contract on big jobs to complete all work by certain dates or would have to pay a penalty clause to the customers.But i have no dout this builder who does a lot of work for the council ,will have is back covered by certain pals in said council my husband bless him had problems with them they look after there mates . I certainly blame the council and ISG for the failure to complete the stadium to the standard required and, as that was almost certainly a contributing factor to the Belle Vue promotions inability to meet its liabilities, they must take a share of the blame for the failure of the Gordon/Morton promotion as well. You will be telling us next that the 2010 dispute was all Sandhu's doing. It wasn't, but a major part of it was. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) It doesn't take a great leap of faith to imagine much jealousy within the BSPA ranks when DG & Mort, etc. managed to achieve a world class speedway stadium in one one of the biggest cities in country. Particularly when you get the impression most of them would actually struggle to put a polo mint track in a field. What absolute bullocks. Manchester City Council financed the project. The amount of finances Gordon & Morton put in would have got exactly what other promoters could afford. Other city/town councils have far less disposable finances for these type of projects Edited February 4, 2017 by Danny Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Can lemon promote without anyone with experience shadowing him??? Cos it doesn't seem that machin is in which I thought he was. So maybe just lemon on his own??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 What absolute bullocks. Manchester City Council financed the project. The amount of finances Gordon & Morton put in would have got exactly what other promoters could afford. Other city/town councils have far less disposable finances for these type of projects And who was it who sold the vision to the council, persuaded them to spend the money and put in 10 years hard work to ensure it was built? That is what took real skill and determination and is something which no other promoter or the BSPA have had the vision to achieve elsewhere. Can lemon promote without anyone with experience shadowing him??? Cos it doesn't seem that machin is in which I thought he was. So maybe just lemon on his own??? They've usually previously insisted on an experienced promoter shadowing a new promoter so it would be unusual if they didn't this time. It would be good to see George Carswell involved and I hope a role can be found for him. Perhaps with the Colts or the Academy, if that is still in the plans. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 What absolute bullocks. Manchester City Council financed the project. The amount of finances Gordon & Morton put in would have got exactly what other promoters could afford. Other city/town councils have far less disposable finances for these type of projects I think you missed the point by a mile, I am sure Stoke Potter is well aware that Man City Council financed the project, the determination and skill was what DG/CM had to extract that finance from Man Council. True, having a major sport stadium in that part of Manchester suited the Council, but they would still have to be convinced to invest in the project costing £6milion+. You dont think Man Council put an advert in the paper "We Got £6mill to give away" do you?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 And who was it who sold the vision to the council, persuaded them to spend the money and put in 10 years hard work to ensure it was built? That is what took real skill and determination and is something which no other promoter or the BSPA have had the vision to achieve elsewhere. nonsense, there is not one other council in the country that would spend that kind of money. I'd pretty much say Manchester is the sporting capital in the uk which has been fully backed from the MCC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 And who was it who sold the vision to the council, persuaded them to spend the money and put in 10 years hard work to ensure it was built? That is what took real skill and determination and is something which no other promoter or the BSPA have had the vision to achieve elsewhere. . Dead right Maybe they didn't fund it, but it almost certainly would not have been built but for the efforts of David Gordon and Chris Morton - and this was in the face of scepticism, cynicism and downright derision from other promoters and fans across the country. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I think you missed the point by a mile, I am sure Stoke Potter is well aware that Man City Council financed the project, the determination and skill was what DG/CM had to extract that finance from Man Council. True, having a major sport stadium in that part of Manchester suited the Council, but they would still have to be convinced to invest in the project costing £6milion+. You dont think Man Council put an advert in the paper "We Got £6mill to give away" do you?" Of course not but any other council DG/CM would have been laughed out the building. The MCC are the only council that puts full backing behind sporting ventures outside of London 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) Of course not but any other council DG/CM would have been laughed out the building. The MCC are the only council that puts full backing behind sporting ventures outside of London Sure about that ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36746494 You only have to read some of the comments on here to know that they were still being laughed at even after building had commenced, never mind during the long years before that. As I have said, certain members of the BSPA were among those laughing. Make no mistake, the existence of the NSS is substantially down to Gordon & Morton. Edited February 4, 2017 by Halifaxtiger 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Road Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 nonsense, there is not one other council in the country that would spend that kind of money. I'd pretty much say Manchester is the sporting capital in the uk which has been fully backed from the MCC. MCC have a long lease with MCFC to lease the Etihad Stadium. That is a long term income stream of about £3m a year which MCC have used to fund a range of sporting projects. The relationship between MCC and MCFCs Middle East owners is a mutually beneficial one. One party wants investment, the other wants to invest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) There is no doubt that there is /was a lot of jealousy amongst the BSPA once the stadium was up and running. I was appalled to see that some clubs would not sell British Final tickets. Whatever happened in 2016 ,the Belle Vue promoters did a tremendous job to get the NSS up and running and the NSS is a flagship that shows what Speedway stadiums should be aiming towards. Edited February 4, 2017 by Gunner85 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I think you missed the point by a mile, I am sure Stoke Potter is well aware that Man City Council financed the project, the determination and skill was what DG/CM had to extract that finance from Man Council. True, having a major sport stadium in that part of Manchester suited the Council, but they would still have to be convinced to invest in the project costing £6milion+. You dont think Man Council put an advert in the paper "We Got £6mill to give away" do you?" Yes, he missed the point, you can only assume deliberately so. Leicester is just one other city in the country I can think of that is regularly hailed as a "sporting capital". The NSS exists because of DG & CM, not the BSPA. If the BSPA were capable why did it take 30+ years after the demise of Hyde Rd? The BSPA, as the custodian of the sport, should have many projects like this in the pipeline. Don't hold your breath for the next one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Why would some clubs not sell British Final tickets? I had no idea this had happened.What reason could possibly justify this.p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Ah yes the famous winter of discontent. The time when the most fans agree that the sport took a massive turn for the worse. Proven by the current situation the sport finds itself in, yet you think it should be all forgotten. Well I've got news for you , it won't be. Started by Sandhu along with the mislead Rick and Julie, and aided and abetted by Trump(the other one) You forgot to get the facts right, so no you won't forget it. Given Buster Chapman's remarkable interventions at Leicester and Coventry I doubt very much that his role was negative. It would be very wrong if Chapman went into this with any form of prejudice against a potential promotion simply because they were friends with David Gordon. Lets face it, Tony Rice is the calibre of businessman that makes those in charge of all the other tracks across the country look distinctly small time (one internet report said his salary at Cable & Wireless was £700k per annum) and it would have been a true disaster if his takeover bid had been endangered because of such an attitude. No, thats not what i said, HT. In his role of Chairman of the BSPA he would be able to assess the situation, as to whether the new promotion were in fact fit and proper to take on the role. Standard procedure, which I had to go through myself. In an interview you have to convince the BSPA that you a fit and proper person. No good Buster being involved, watching what was going on, and knowing if they new owners were not fit and proper for what they were taking on. He wouldn't start from a negative position, but would start as a neutral. Dead right Maybe they didn't fund it, but it almost certainly would not have been built but for the efforts of David Gordon and Chris Morton - and this was in the face of scepticism, cynicism and downright derision from other promoters and fans across the country. To be fair HT, Promoters, and many fans on here, knew the potential, but were probably staggered at the payback period being reduced from about 55 years to 25. They would know it was just not possible, and a massive gamble that was likely to be doomed from the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 Why would some clubs not sell British Final tickets? I had no idea this had happened.What reason could possibly justify this.p Incredible if true....! THE flagship event of the British Speedway Season and it is suggested that some tracks didn't actively promote it at their own venues...? Wow... No wonder the sport is 'Donald Ducked' in this Country when personal individual feelings are allowed to take precedent over the greater good... No Independant CEO so what do you expect though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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