Belle Vue 2017

[hyderd]

 

Well, that is interesting.

 

I see that Mr Carswell is still listed as an active director of BVA Holdings Ltd and BV Arena Ltd but then so is Chris Morton,

 

So perhaps, the duo are going to re-brand themselves and have another stab.

 

I'll pop round to Mort's house and see if the Rentruck car is still parked on his drive.

 

Watch out for a pick the new Belle Vue logo competition any time soon.

 

rumour has it,yes another rumour that Mort remortgaged his house to help keep their dream alive. We all know what happened to the dream.

[Little Thumper]

rumour has it,yes another rumour that Mort remortgaged his house to help keep their dream alive. We all know what happened to the dream.

 

Well, he hadn't been evicted when I was round there a couple of weeks ago, so hopefully he won't be needing a tent in Piccadilly Gardens just yet.

[hyderd]

 

Well, he hadn't been evicted when I was round there a couple of weeks ago, so hopefully he won't be needing a tent in Piccadilly Gardens just yet.

 

Like I said,"rumour" This thread is full of them

[Bagpuss]

And plenty of posters who are full of 'it'.

[Little Thumper]

I see that Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited's accounts for the period up to 31 March 2016 are due for submission by Saturday 31 December.

 

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08001281

 

David Gordon and Christopher Morton are still listed as the active Directors of the company, so I am sure they are beavering away with their calculators filling out their forms.

 

It will be interesting to see the financial position of Belle Vue as it embarked on the 2016 season and to also see if there is any indication of what level of indebtedness the club was carrying forward.

 

As David Gordon and Chris Morton are still clearly the owners of Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited, I am not entirely sure how someone else could take over the promotion of the club without coming to some arrangement with the current owners.

 

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in these matters could explain how some new promoter would secure ownership of the club, irrespective of the goings on with regard to BV Arena Limited, Belle Vue Academy Limited and BVA Holdings Limited.

 

If Gordon and Morton retain ownership of the speedway club that is Belle Vue Aces but some other party manages to take over the lease of Belle Vue Arena, then surely a new speedway team would have to be created.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Little Thumper

[MattK]

I see that Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited's accounts for the period up to 31 March 2016 are due for submission by Saturday 31 December.

 

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08001281

 

David Gordon and Christopher Morton are still listed as the active Directors of the company, so I am sure they are beavering away with their calculators filling out their forms.

 

It will be interesting to see the financial position of Belle Vue as it embarked on the 2016 season and to also see if there is any indication of what level of indebtedness the club was carrying forward.

 

As David Gordon and Chris Morton are still clearly the owners of Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited, I am not entirely sure how someone else could take over the promotion of the club without coming to some arrangement with the current owners.

 

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable in these matters could explain how some new promoter would secure ownership of the club, irrespective of the goings on with regard to BV Arena Limited, Belle Vue Academy Limited and BVA Holdings Limited.

 

If Gordon and Morton retain ownership of the speedway club that is Belle Vue Aces but some other party manages to take over the lease of Belle Vue Arena, then surely a new speedway team would have to be created.

 

The limited companies as they are set up mean very little.

 

It is likely any new promoter would set up a new limited company, negotiate a lease with MCC and do whatever is necessary with the BSPA. The limited company being run by Morton and Gordon would then be dissolved.

[Little Thumper]

 

The limited companies as they are set up mean very little.

 

It is likely any new promoter would set up a new limited company, negotiate a lease with MCC and do whatever is necessary with the BSPA. The limited company being run by Morton and Gordon would then be dissolved.

 

But surely, you can't just nick someone else's company?

 

If Messrs Gordon and Morton wish to retain ownership of the actual speedway club to perhaps use as a bargaining chip at a later stage, then surely that is their prerogative?

[racers and royals]

 

But surely, you can't just nick someone else's company?

 

If Messrs Gordon and Morton wish to retain ownership of the actual speedway club to perhaps use as a bargaining chip at a later stage, then surely that is their prerogative?

The company means nothing if they haven`t got a licence from the BSPA to be promoters.

[Little Thumper]

The company means nothing if they haven`t got a licence from the BSPA to be promoters.

 

But surely Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited has some assets such as rider contracts or ownership of the brand?

 

The BSPA state that they have revoked the promoters licence held by Gordon and Morton, so obviously at this moment in time they cannot operate in a British speedway league but they cannot take their business off them without agreement.

[racers and royals]

 

But surely Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Limited has some assets such as rider contracts or ownership of the brand?

 

The BSPA state that they have revoked the promoters licence held by Gordon and Morton, so obviously at this moment in time they cannot operate in a British speedway league but they cannot take their business off them without agreement.

When they became promoters they would have signed something to the effect that if they effectively went skint -they the BSPA would remove their licence to operate and that they would therefore lose the right to be the promoters of speedway in Manchester.

[Little Thumper]

When they became promoters they would have signed something to the effect that if they effectively went skint -they the BSPA would remove their licence to operate and that they would therefore lose the right to be the promoters of speedway in Manchester.

 

I appreciate what you are saying but Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Ltd hasn't gone into administration and is still a company listed at Companies House.

It is a company that still has active directors who haven't been declared bankrupt although allegedly, they are in arrears with their rent.

 

By revoking the promoters' licence held by Messrs Gordon and Morton hasn't the BSPA deprived them of the opportunity to earn a livelihood?

 

Perhaps when the accounts are filed in the very near future, we might be able to see if Belle Vue Speedway Ltd has any assets and whether anybody fancies buying said assets.

[racers and royals]

 

I appreciate what you are saying but Belle Vue Speedway Manchester Ltd hasn't gone into administration and is still a company listed at Companies House.

It is a company that still has active directors who haven't been declared bankrupt although allegedly, they are in arrears with their rent.

 

By revoking the promoters' licence held by Messrs Gordon and Morton hasn't the BSPA deprived them of the opportunity to earn a livelihood?

 

Perhaps when the accounts are filed in the very near future, we might be able to see if Belle Vue Speedway Ltd has any assets and whether anybody fancies buying said assets.

Sorry to keep going on- but the time has passed for Messrs Gordon and Morton- they could have sold before the BSPA stepped in but their situation was so bleak the BSPA pulled the plug which left them with no assets. Hopefully Tsunami might be able to explain more(as an ex-promoter).

[high edge]

Same thing happened at Birmingham in 2014 .Perhaps Mr Mole and his mate Mr Dury will ride in to save Belle Vue

[uk_martin]

Same thing happened at Birmingham in 2014 .Perhaps Mr Mole and his mate Mr Dury will ride in to save Belle Vue

Mr Mole has set his sights on retirement. 2017 will be his last year at Birmingham. So not only are BV looking for a new promoter but to add a bit of competition, so are the Brummies, for the long term.

 

So the question that a newcomer tempted by promoting a speedway team has to ask, is which is the better option, Belle Vue or Birmingham?

[SteveLyric2]

Judging by the article in SS this week, Manchester Council will have a major say in who the new promoters are (stating the obvious there!!) so I would imagine they will prefer someone with top level Speedway and solid business experience, along with a recommendation from BSPA/SCB.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Skidder1

[scaramanga]

similar to hull a few years back aswell they built a side the won the league resulting in the owners not being able to pay the bills and stop trading as such

the assetts reverted back to the bspa which were then offered to the highest bidder as a job lot

im sure the bids were in sealed envelopes and sheffield were the highest bidder ahead of tony mole who was at workington at the time

 

speedway is a funny old game

you have to put up a bond or use your assetts as that bond if things like this happen where bills arnt paid then the bspa can claim that bond or assetts to use to pay the bills

at least thats how it was explained to me from someone involved years ago

Edited December 31, 2016 by scarra

[ouch]

What's needed is a promotional team so passionate about the venture that should the council refuse to pay for items that they initially agreed to pay then this promotion steps in to keep the ship sailing.

 

If there's any problems at the stadium during the season that are directly the fault of the council and/or its contractors who then refuse to take any financial fall out, it would help to have a promotion who would temporarily shoulder the burden whilst negotiating with the council on the rights and wrongs of the situation and also to keep the fans onboard and not out of pocket.

 

After all that its important that should the promotion experience difficulties of this nature that a plan is in place that would see all outstanding bills paid by the beginning of November.

 

The icing on the cake would be a promotion that can assemble a team that would see The Aces sat at the top of the table.

 

All a pipe dream I know as who could find a promotional team capable of all that?

 

Oh I forgot the most important bit, the promotion need to be buddies of Keith Chapman as if not the whole thing will appear to be a failure.

[Gemini]

Judging by the article in SS this week, Manchester Council will have a major say in who the new promoters are (stating the obvious there!!) so I would imagine they will prefer someone with top level Speedway and solid business experience, along with a recommendation from BSPA/SCB.

In that case may I put forward the name of Mick Horton ~ one of the finest.

[Phil The Ace]

Judging by the article in SS this week, Manchester Council will have a major say in who the new promoters are (stating the obvious there!!) so I would imagine they will prefer someone with top level Speedway and solid business experience, along with a recommendation from BSPA/SCB.

Yet one guy at the bspa is doing everything possible to stop the councils choice in taking charge.

 

The councils choice is a speedway man and is currently a Co promoter elsewhere

[OveFundinFan]

What's needed is a promotional team so passionate about the venture that should the council refuse to pay for items that they initially agreed to pay then this promotion steps in to keep the ship sailing.

 

If there's any problems at the stadium during the season that are directly the fault of the council and/or its contractors who then refuse to take any financial fall out, it would help to have a promotion who would temporarily shoulder the burden whilst negotiating with the council on the rights and wrongs of the situation and also to keep the fans onboard and not out of pocket.

 

After all that its important that should the promotion experience difficulties of this nature that a plan is in place that would see all outstanding bills paid by the beginning of November.

 

The icing on the cake would be a promotion that can assemble a team that would see The Aces sat at the top of the table.

 

All a pipe dream I know as who could find a promotional team capable of all that?

 

Oh I forgot the most important bit, the promotion need to be buddies of Keith Chapman as if not the whole thing will appear to be a failure.

When I was reading this my thoughts continually went to "thats what the 2016 promoters were doing" ie Gordon and Morton.

They were passionate about the venture - thay had worked for years to break away from the dog track, with passion.

There were faults with the stadium that were a direct result of the council/contractors action or lack of it.

We still dont know, probably never will, the detail of any financial handling that may have added to the problem.

They did assemble a team that topped the league table (but robbed of the important play off win).

 

But maybe the problem was your last point.....were/are Gordon and Morton buddies of Chapman.

 

I do remember on that fateful Saturday night back in March when the Peter Craven meeting was cancelled (which we are led to believe was a faulty track - council/contractor problem), it was either that night or the next day that a quote from Chapman was posted on the forum thread that blasted the management of BV.... I remember reading it and thinking he opening his mouth before facts are known (which is never good). It just seemed to me very in appropriate but at the same time....is there a dislike of BV success (ie getting a brand new stadium built from council funds) and was there some joy at its failure on the first meeting.