Belle Vue 2017

[Phil The Ace]

Next year I think we will.just rent the track from the council and only get gate revenue and sponsors.

 

So just like kirky lane where we survived 20+ years but in a much better facility with much bigger crowds.

 

So it's a win win for me

[Little Thumper]

You will find reference to the Speedway Academy on page 17 of the Eastlands Community Plan document:-

 

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/egov_downloads/7._Eastlands_Community_Plan.pdf

 

Sadly, I am not aware why the Academy has not been opened.

 

Perhaps, you might be kind enough to tell me?

 

I have no axe to grind and have supported Belle Vue Aces since 1966 and hope to do so again in the not too distant future.

[Aces51]

The promotion said that they had not been able to start the Academy because so much of their time had been taken up with the issues arising from the problems caused by the contractors. They said it was their intention to have it in place in 2017.

[KIRKYLANE]

As intimated by The SS , there should be an announcement early this week.

 

Let us hope this happens and the Aces are secure for 2017 and then we can move on to a long term future in the NSS.

 

No doubt the hard core facts will then emerge re 2016 and we can see exactly what the problem was and know exactly what happened ( or as near to the truth as we will ever get.

[Daniel Smith]

so are you saying DG and Mort didn't get the food and drink revenue.

 

They got the finances from everything as they had effectively a mortgage so were classed as owners.

The new promotion if rumour is true will be just tenants renting from the council.

[Little Thumper]

The promotion said that they had not been able to start the Academy because so much of their time had been taken up with the issues arising from the problems caused by the contractors. They said it was their intention to have it in place in 2017.

 

Thank you, Aces51

[Little Thumper]

The academy wasn't included in the strategy, the document you've linked has been superseded several times and clearly describes the bullet points (the only reference to a speedway academy) as proposals requiring further planning work. References to the academy have continued in later documents but meeting what you described as 'the core objective of the strategy i.e. improving the economic and physical health of the inhabitants of the Eastlands area', never relied on the inclusion of a speedway academy.

 

As I said, at least as far as the speedway contribution is concerned, what you call the core objective of the strategy has been fully met or exceeded and while you seem to think the lack of an academy undermines the justification of the project you'll be happy to learn that it doesn't.

 

Indeed.

 

Well, that is all very interesting.

Might you, therefore, be kind enough to put up a link to the later documents to which you refer.

Thank you.

[SCB]

They got the finances from everything as they had effectively a mortgage so were classed as owners.

The new promotion if rumour is true will be just tenants renting from the council.

Cant see the council wanting the hassle of running the food outlets at a speedway stadium. They'll lease the stadium to the new promotion and let them sort it. The council will be happy to just get their costs back, not run it as a commercial enterprise.

[Starman2006]

Cant see the council wanting the hassle of running the food outlets at a speedway stadium. They'll lease the stadium to the new promotion and let them sort it. The council will be happy to just get their costs back, not run it as a commercial enterprise.

You reckon, they will want as much money as they can get out of it. You would think they wouldn't want to cut there noses off to spite there face, but thats what Councils do, and get away with it.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Starman2006

[SCB]

You reckon, they will want as much money as they can get out of it. You would think they wouldn't want to cut there noses off to spite there face, but thats what Councils do, and get away with it.

The council won't give a crap about the irrelevant amounts of money the good stuff will make. They'll just charge a little more rent and let the speedway club sort it. If it was going to make 100s of 1000s it'd be worth employing someone to do it but for a few 1000 it's not worth employing someone to do it.

[Starman2006]

The council won't give a crap about the irrelevant amounts of money the good stuff will make. They'll just charge a little more rent and let the speedway club sort it. If it was going to make 100s of 1000s it'd be worth employing someone to do it but for a few 1000 it's not worth employing someone to do it.

We will soon see.

[Little Thumper]

Here you go

 

http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&search_in=forums

 

https://www.google.co.uk

 

You may need to type something creative like "Belle Vue" or "sports village" or a combination of the two and perhaps add in .pdf and it might bring up something worthwhile?

 

These two links do not bring up the documents to which you referred.

 

So are you saying that the documents to which you previously referred don't exist or that you have misplaced the location?

 

I would be very interested to see the updated strategy document, so if you could spare a few minutes to locate them, I would be grateful.

[Brian]

The council won't give a crap about the irrelevant amounts of money the good stuff will make. They'll just charge a little more rent and let the speedway club sort it. If it was going to make 100s of 1000s it'd be worth employing someone to do it but for a few 1000 it's not worth employing someone to do it.

If the Council retained control of the food outlets and bars, I suspect it would all have to go out to tender.

[A ORLOV]

If the Council retained control of the food outlets and bars, I suspect it would all have to go out to tender.

That is what most councils would do, then even the new speedway management could tender for it if they wanted.

[INCOGNITO]

Most catering outlets are either run by the owners staff such as Ladbrokes at Monmore Green or to contract catering companies as it is at Belle Vue and the Speedway have nothing to do with it and get no money from these outlets. Catering stands such as burger bars etc can be charged a pitch rate to be there which can be organised through the club. This would be a fixed fee and part of the agreement with the contractors running the in house bars and restaurants .

 

 

The speedway gets the money through the turnstiles only in many cases and this along with sponsorship deals have to pay the running costs, rent and wages which is why you hear them sometimes say we need a crowd of 1,300 to break even and not we need to sell 4,100 burgers

[B.V 72]

If new promoters are anounced i would think that the council will have vetted their plans down to the last detail.They can't afford another cock up and must be confident that they can pay their way and keep the club running for many years.The new promoters must think the same or why would they be willing to invest money into the club. If this is the case i as i fan do not give a monkeys who gets what money from where as long as the new promotion can generate enougth money to keep the club running.I will read any details with interest but in reality the most important thing for me is the survival of the club and to watch speedway for years to come.

[hyderd]

If new promoters are anounced i would think that the council will have vetted their plans down to the last detail.They can't afford another cock up and must be confident that they can pay their way and keep the club running for many years.The new promoters must think the same or why would they be willing to invest money into the club. If this is the case i as i fan do not give a monkeys who gets what money from where as long as the new promotion can generate enougth money to keep the club running.I will read any details with interest but in reality the most important thing for me is the survival of the club and to watch speedway for years to come.

 

Agree with everything you say, for me though the worrying thing is, it's not just Belle Vue who are in financial trouble. The product needs to attract more people through the turnstiles, will the latest changes do that?, only time will tell, but we don't have a lot of that.

[Daniel Smith]

 

Agree with everything you say, for me though the worrying thing is, it's not just Belle Vue who are in financial trouble. The product needs to attract more people through the turnstiles, will the latest changes do that?, only time will tell, but we don't have a lot of that.

 

Nope, promoter's seem to look at making money from existing customer bases hence why it's continually dumbing down the product to try and make a profit.

 

Promoting the sport is nonexistent, totally reliant on word of mouth and as long as the sport continues with that approach it'll just keep bumble along totally invisible to 95% of the UK population.

 

Who's in the 1-7's is irrelevant to supporters, the product isn't exciting the current customer and the turnover of new is minimal.

[Woz01]

 

Those are the t&c's for every renting promotion. Food & drink always goes to the venue owners

It would go to the lease holders and to the catering firm that supplies the food and beverages. The council may indeed own the actual site but as they are not running the facility they won't get the money that comes from events there. Edited December 12, 2016 by woz01

[woodenspoon]

If there is an agreement with new promoters I do not see it being under what we assume to have been between Gordon & Morton & the Council with BV buying the stadium. I would think it will be an agreement for simply the hire of the stadium and the new promotion just paying a rent, say for 1 year and then see how this turns out, and whether it was economically viable to run speedway at the NSS. The Council will also want cast iron guarantees that any rent will be paid on time.

How much revenue can be made from bar & food outlets, and who it will go to is debatable, they could end up like the dog track apart from takings from the car park.

 

BV could also do with attracting other sponsorship, unfortunately in these times that is easier to say than get.

It also has not been made clear yet as to whether or not the South stand and its facilities will be completed as per originally planned.

Whoever does take over will need deep pockets.