waiheke1 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Both awful teams.could be close though, but surely go with Bewley at reserve and someone else for Davies in that first option. R worrall is very poor value on that average, better to go with Hougaard in that 2nd side. or better still, zagar and downgrade Williamson to lee Payne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It is on the Poole website "Ford has also confirmed that the Pirates first team action of 2017 will against Wolverhampton in the Elite Shield, with the Pirates travelling to Monmore Green on Monday 27th March with the return leg on Wednesday 29th March. The Wimborne Road season opener will be the Darcy Ward Invitational Meeting on Friday 24th March." Also the World Cup is going back to Kings Lynn. Pretty obvious to me that Belle Vue will not run next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Really hope Belle Vue run next year. One of the best tracks in the country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Not shocked about world cup. We have no promotion to promote it so having it at lynn is the safe bet. I've since found out the Elite shield is always the league winners versus the previous winner so that would have ruled us out anyway so nothing to worry about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Cook B.Kurtz Nicholls S. Worrall Hougaard Bewley/Williamson Smith/Bickley Or Fricke MPT Cook S.Worrall Hougaard Bewley/Williamson Smith/Bickley Fantasy purposes only of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Also the World Cup is going back to Kings Lynn. Pretty obvious to me that Belle Vue will not run next year Why not. We got the World cup in 0-4, and we carried on winning several more league titles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Both awful teams.could be close though, but surely go with Bewley at reserve and someone else for Davies in that first option. I'm sorry but your last promotion went bust. I tried to build teams for your club with riders that rode for either the Aces or the Colts last year with which you'd win home meetings. And don't cost too much, since your club are at the mercy of Manchester City Council. Either of those teams I posted are viable under severe financial scrutiny I believe. A returning Nicholls is a pipe dream. Freicke & Hougaard are better bets for your #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Fricke Cook Hougaard S Worrall L Bjerre Bewley J Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Fricke Cook Hougaard S Worrall L Bjerre Bewley J Smith Like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundin5 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Nice thought Phil, but unless something we are not party too is going on behind the scenes, we will have to wait for a new "promotion" to be put in place. However, the longer it takes to sort the sorry mess at BV out, the harder it will become to form a side. One scenario I do not wish to see again is the type of team we had in 2007. We were cannon fodder that year. But that wouldn't be a bad side if it were to be achieved. Pity poor Swindon who have used 27% of the allotted 50 point limit with a single rider. I just get the impression that all this average alteration is moving towards a single division eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Pity poor Swindon who have used 27% of the allotted 50 point limit with a single rider. I just get the impression that all this average alteration is moving towards a single division eventually. Well they cannot go backwards, they've sort of backed themselves into a corner.. Edited November 10, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I'm sorry but your last promotion went bust. I tried to build teams for your club with riders that rode for either the Aces or the Colts last year with which you'd win home meetings. And don't cost too much, since your club are at the mercy of Manchester City Council. Either of those teams I posted are viable under severe financial scrutiny I believe. A returning Nicholls is a pipe dream. Freicke & Hougaard are better bets for your #2. No they didn't. They got kicked out of the stadium for refusing to pay any rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Whatever. Unsustainable. The teams I posted are inexpensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Nice thought Phil, but unless something we are not party too is going on behind the scenes, we will have to wait for a new "promotion" to be put in place. However, the longer it takes to sort the sorry mess at BV out, the harder it will become to form a side. One scenario I do not wish to see again is the type of team we had in 2007. We were cannon fodder that year. But that wouldn't be a bad side if it were to be achieved. Pity poor Swindon who have used 27% of the allotted 50 point limit with a single rider. I just get the impression that all this average alteration is moving towards a single division eventually. This is my worry to i posted the same thought on another thread.I just hope that if the BSPA want speedway to continue at Belle vue they have someone or a new promoter in place getting a competitive team together for next year.Because as you say if the same thing happens as it did in 2007 when the new promoters took over late and we had a very poor team of left over riders that other teams did not want then we are in big trouble.The die hard fans will still stand behind the club if they field a very poor team as they did in 2007 but the new /returning fans i would think will not so the gates will fall in a big way.So a poor team will lead to poor crowds and without good crowds to bring in the money any new promoter will need to make a go of the club will not be there. A poor team will leave Belle vues future looking very bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 This is my worry to i posted the same thought on another thread.I just hope that if the BSPA want speedway to continue at Belle vue they have someone or a new promoter in place getting a competitive team together for next year.Because as you say if the same thing happens as it did in 2007 when the new promoters took over late and we had a very poor team of left over riders that other teams did not want then we are in big trouble.The die hard fans will still stand behind the club if they field a very poor team as they did in 2007 but the new /returning fans i would think will not so the gates will fall in a big way.So a poor team will lead to poor crowds and without good crowds to bring in the money any new promoter will need to make a go of the club will not be there. A poor team will leave Belle vues future looking very bleak. It already looks pretty bleak to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 It already looks pretty bleak to me. Might not be quite so bad. I have been told that a new promotion will be announced shortly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 That's reassuring as I have become a little anxious but trust posts from Halifaxtiger. The sooner the promotion is in place, the sooner we can get signing the likes of Cookie and the Worralls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Cookie might be the new promoter?! No not that Cookie!! :-) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundin5 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 This is my worry to i posted the same thought on another thread.I just hope that if the BSPA want speedway to continue at Belle vue they have someone or a new promoter in place getting a competitive team together for next year.Because as you say if the same thing happens as it did in 2007 when the new promoters took over late and we had a very poor team of left over riders that other teams did not want then we are in big trouble.The die hard fans will still stand behind the club if they field a very poor team as they did in 2007 but the new /returning fans i would think will not so the gates will fall in a big way.So a poor team will lead to poor crowds and without good crowds to bring in the money any new promoter will need to make a go of the club will not be there. A poor team will leave Belle vues future looking very bleak. I'm sure the BSPA are doing their best to arrest the situation as they would not want to be running the show themselves, yet realising for the good of the SGB Premiership, it needs a competitive team assembled. A facility like Belle Vue cannot be lost to the sport. The biggest hurdle is obviously the weekly rent payment. I think the best solution would be going back to what we did at the Dog Hole, open the turnstiles, pay a rent, pay the riders (hopefully!), get the other costs that come with running a meeting out of the way and clear off home. As for the usage of the facility we HAD, it would be better for the City Council to appoint a Stadium Commercial Manager themselves. He in turn would maximise what happens with the Artificial Centre Green, together with drumming up the use of the stadium for Conferences, functions etc. Funnily enough, I suspect that is exactly what messr's Gordon and Morton would have been expected to do. Sadly, I don't think they did to any great extent, which is where the extra income would have been of great assistance to the club. However, that is water under the bridge now, whats done is done and we must collectively to support the club and whoever the new promoter(s) are. Speedway itself I feel is at the crossroads and it must do things correctly. It cannot afford to lose tracks. We cannot possibly compete with Poland and Sweden in money terms. They both seem to be backed by heavy sponsorship, wheras we are not and must live within our means. What would be interesting is should either of those two hit the rocks big time, would the riders who deserted be clamouring to return. My answer would be YES, you can come back, but on our terms. If we are to move forward again, it must be done slowly and within the limits. I'm eagerly awaiting to see who the new people are, I say people because it definitely will not be a one man job! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 I'm sure the BSPA are doing their best to arrest the situation as they would not want to be running the show themselves, yet realising for the good of the SGB Premiership, it needs a competitive team assembled. A facility like Belle Vue cannot be lost to the sport. The biggest hurdle is obviously the weekly rent payment. I think the best solution would be going back to what we did at the Dog Hole, open the turnstiles, pay a rent, pay the riders (hopefully!), get the other costs that come with running a meeting out of the way and clear off home. As for the usage of the facility we HAD, it would be better for the City Council to appoint a Stadium Commercial Manager themselves. He in turn would maximise what happens with the Artificial Centre Green, together with drumming up the use of the stadium for Conferences, functions etc. Funnily enough, I suspect that is exactly what messr's Gordon and Morton would have been expected to do. Sadly, I don't think they did to any great extent, which is where the extra income would have been of great assistance to the club. However, that is water under the bridge now, whats done is done and we must collectively to support the club and whoever the new promoter(s) are. Speedway itself I feel is at the crossroads and it must do things correctly. It cannot afford to lose tracks. We cannot possibly compete with Poland and Sweden in money terms. They both seem to be backed by heavy sponsorship, wheras we are not and must live within our means. What would be interesting is should either of those two hit the rocks big time, would the riders who deserted be clamouring to return. My answer would be YES, you can come back, but on our terms. If we are to move forward again, it must be done slowly and within the limits. I'm eagerly awaiting to see who the new people are, I say people because it definitely will not be a one man job! My understanding is that full use of the stadium was a stipulation of those coming in. It could be the case, then, that they got the Aces with the stadium rather than the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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