Belle Vue 2017

[BANANAMAN]

Gavan, on 03 Aug 2017 - 2:29 PM, said:

I can see why Belle Vue fans feel harshly treated.

 

Wolves legitimately replaced Joonas with Tai with at least 6 matches to go so totally within the rules although obvious why people seemed upset.

 

Poole then bring in a GP star SOLELY for the play offs...after the cut off dates for a 'season ending' injury..typical Poole stunt that wonderfully backfired.

 

Yet Belle Vue can now do nothing to replace Fricke.

 

Why can Poole bend the rules after last seasons cut off date, yet Belle Vue have a genuine injury and cant replace him?

Why can Poole bend the rules after last seasons cut off date, yet Belle Vue have a genuine injury and cant replace him? ...

I don't think you really need three quarters of the forum to answer that for you do you ?

[Sidney the robin]

I can see why Belle Vue fans feel harshly treated.

 

Wolves legitimately replaced Joonas with Tai with at least 6 matches to go so totally within the rules although obvious why people seemed upset.

 

Poole then bring in a GP star SOLELY for the play offs...after the cut off dates for a 'season ending' injury..typical Poole stunt that wonderfully backfired.

 

Yet Belle Vue can now do nothing to replace Fricke.

 

Why can Poole bend the rules after last seasons cut off date, yet Belle Vue have a genuine injury and cant replace him?

Why is the rule there in the first place ? a genuine injury replace him again the supporters are the one's who suffers more guests and R/R they need to rip up that pathetic rulebook up and start again.

[The White Knight]

Why is the rule there in the first place ? a genuine injury replace him again the supporters are the one's who suffers more guests and R/R they need to rip up that pathetic rulebook up and start again.

Exactly right.

 

Once again the poor Supporter is expected to pay the same money for what is, in effect, an inferior product.

[BWitcher]

The ones whinging are the ones who have been celebrating these rule changes all season long.

[Phil The Ace]

The ones whinging are the ones who have been celebrating these rule changes all season long.

Assume they diddnt know they couldn't have a change for a genuine injured rider.

 

I saw no problem with tai last year, lindback for hans was a bit suspicious but it diddnt help in the end anyway.

 

So the transfer deadline is A good thing but whoever decided you couldn't change an GENUINE injured rider after the cut off needs shooting.

 

Incidently there was a meeting on Tuesday st rugby about this matter and all but Ford voted to keep the rule, a few hours later and I bet lemon would have changed his vote

[waiheke1]

Why can Poole bend the rules after last seasons cut off date, yet Belle Vue have a genuine injury and cant replace him? ...

I don't think you really need three quarters of the forum to answer that for you do you ?

Poole used the rule that was there legitimately - until of course hans ride again at which point they should have lost the facility.

The facility to replace injured rider was removed to prevent any such abuse - it's just unlucky that we've had an injury. Though who are we thinking we would have got in who is better than rr?

The rules which is more likely to cost aces the title and is the really stupid one is the rule that said at the start of the season a 1.4 multiplier was attached but once the point limit dropped to 42 NO multiplier attached. The only possible logical decision was a multiplier of 1.2 to apply. Fair play to Swindon for taking advantage but musielak should have had an average 20% higher which would have stopped them making the swap they did.

[Badge]

So the transfer deadline is A good thing but whoever decided you couldn't change an GENUINE injured rider after the cut off needs shooting.

Incidently there was a meeting on Tuesday st rugby about this matter and all but Ford voted to keep the rule, a few hours later and I bet lemon would have changed his vote

So in effect it did what it was intended for I'm afraid, 2 riders ready to replace "injured" others!!l Sadly you are the one's to suffer

[Steve Shovlar]

Again Matt Ford the only promoter to see the folly of not being able to make injury replacements. Just goes to show how he understands the rules and the repercussions of an injury after the cut off date, where others think they are invincible until an injury comes knocking.

 

Bad luck to Belle Vue on losing Fricke. Poole fans know what its like from last season when we lost Hans at Leicester. Not replaceable but you just have to get on with it.

 

Advantage Wolves if they steer clear of any injuries.

[kingbee]

Again Matt Ford the only promoter to see the folly of not being able to make injury replacements. Just goes to show how he understands the rules and the repercussions of an injury after the cut off date, where others think they are invincible until an injury comes knocking.

Bad luck to Belle Vue on losing Fricke. Poole fans know what its like from last season when we lost Hans at Leicester. Not replaceable but you just have to get on with it.

Advantage Wolves if they steer clear of any injuries.

if it wasn't for Ford trying to cheat all the time this situation would have not come about

[OveFundinFan]

if it wasn't for Ford trying to cheat all the time this situation would have not come about

That about sums it up.

Always the same, someone tries to get round a rule means another rule is introduced, and so it goes on.

Then comes the day when there is a genuine case and there i no wiggle room.

 

Of course, there is an unwritten rule - rules can be broken when justified - is there a will to bend it for BV in this circumstance.

[Gavan]

Again Matt Ford the only promoter to see the folly of not being able to make injury replacements. Just goes to show how he understands the rules and the repercussions of an injury after the cut off date, where others think they are invincible until an injury comes knocking.

 

Bad luck to Belle Vue on losing Fricke. Poole fans know what its like from last season when we lost Hans at Leicester. Not replaceable but you just have to get on with it.

 

Advantage Wolves if they steer clear of any injuries.

You talk tosh

 

You lost Hans with what can be described as a dubious injury. Then replaced him with a top gp star who had won the Cardiff GP!! Hardly irreplaceable.just for once this time Pooles rule bending backfired.

 

Lets be fair its Pooles constant bending of the rules that leads us down this path

[Grachan]

It's been perfectly clear all year that this was the cut-off date for ANY changes. As soon as it was announced I could see that it was not a good thing.

 

But why is this rule here? Because the very people who are upset that they can't replace an injured rider complained last year because Poole did just that, so the rule was brought in. Anyone could see it was a daft rule apart from those who thought it up. But think it up they did.

 

It's a stupid rule. The very nature of speedway is that you often get season-ending injuries - as we have now seen at Swindon and Belle Vue and could happen to anyone else at any time. But it was brought in to appease the very people who now don't like it because it had affected their own team.

 

It's called karma.

[BWitcher]

 

Advantage Wolves if they steer clear of any injuries.

 

Not really, advantage Belle Vue.

 

As we know in last year's final Fricke went missing at Monmore.

 

Bjerre, Cook and Worrall are all much better riders at Monmore than Fricke. Come the play-offs, if the two teams clash, it could swing things the Aces way.

Incidently there was a meeting on Tuesday st rugby about this matter and all but Ford voted to keep the rule, a few hours later and I bet lemon would have changed his vote

 

Then Belle Vue can have absolutely nothing to complain about as they have voted for the rule themselves.

 

Is the rule stupid? Of course, but that's the rules.

[The White Knight]

It's been perfectly clear all year that this was the cut-off date for ANY changes. As soon as it was announced I could see that it was not a good thing.

 

But why is this rule here? Because the very people who are upset that they can't replace an injured rider complained last year because Poole did just that, so the rule was brought in. Anyone could see it was a daft rule apart from those who thought it up. But think it up they did.

 

It's a stupid rule. The very nature of speedway is that you often get season-ending injuries - as we have now seen at Swindon and Belle Vue and could happen to anyone else at any time. But it was brought in to appease the very people who now don't like it because it had affected their own team.

 

It's called karma.

Among plenty of others.

[foreverblue]

 

Not really, advantage Belle Vue.

 

As we know in last year's final Fricke went missing at Monmore.

 

Bjerre, Cook and Worrall are all much better riders at Monmore than Fricke. Come the play-offs, if the two teams clash, it could swing things the Aces way.

 

Then Belle Vue can have absolutely nothing to complain about as they have voted for the rule themselves.

 

Is the rule stupid? Of course, but that's the rules.

When Ritchie is released by Poole to accommodate Kurtz back could he join Belle Vue with a bit of dispensation!

[STEPHEN 333]

With all this talk of R/R, and possible guests, who's to say that Max might not be back within a few weeks, does anyone have specific details of Max's injury, who's actually said that he is out of the play offs.

[Steve Shovlar]

You talk tosh

 

You lost Hans with what can be described as a dubious injury. Then replaced him with a top gp star who had won the Cardiff GP!! Hardly irreplaceable.just for once this time Pooles rule bending backfired.

 

Lets be fair its Pooles constant bending of the rules that leads us down this path

Dubious injury? Did you not see the photos Andersen tweeted of his injury? It ended his season and left us vunerable when it mattered. Here's Fricke out of control crashing into Andersen.

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/5573250.jpg

Courtesy Steve Dixon.

[Starman2006]

Dubious injury? Did you not see the photos Andersen tweeted of his injury? It ended his season and left us vunerable when it mattered. Here's Fricke out of control crashing into Andersen.

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/5573250.jpg

Courtesy Steve Dixon.

You could almost say he mean't it..

Edited August 3, 2017 by Starman2006

[Fourentee]

Some say, Rules are Rules and must be obeyed.

 

The more enlightened say Rules are Rules and the spirit of the Rules should be adhered to.

Firstly, commiserations to Fricke on such a nasty injury and good wishes for a swift recovery.

It is, obviously, tough on Belle Vue to lose his services (putting to one side the possibility of an early return). But it is, for good or ill, much easier to enforce the letter of a rule rather than its spirit. How many injuries, to riders of what calibre, are you suggesting to prompt an exception? What happens if that exception is made for one club and not another in broadly similar circumstances? Where is the line drawn?

You could almost say he mean't it..

Try to show at least an iota of common sense.

[Gavan]

You could almost say he mean't it..

Surely please tell me you are not serious with that quote