Belle Vue 2017

[bellevueace]

Very unfortunate for Fricke and Belle Vue to come after the cut off date. R/R only option for the rest of the season or until Fricke recovers enough to ride. There is no facility other than R/R, though the way the team are riding he can be covered pretty well.

 

No 28 day injury replacements are allowed at this stage of the season.

 

Cost us against Coventry in the final when Bjerre was injured and only r/r available, could be a case of deja vu.

[hagonshocker]

He's unlucky and lucky by the sounds of things...best wishes to him

[Aces51]

I suspect that Holder's average may fit when the next greensheets are published but the rules are the rules.

 

There is always the "in the best interests of the sport" exception that could be applied but somehow that seems only to apply to certain clubs and we are not one of them.

 

I also have sympathy for Swindon but they did have an opportunity to sign a replacement for Zach and decided not to do so. Understandable because I think horses for courses guests are their best option.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Aces51

[mikebv]

So what happens if Steve Worrall, Craig Cook or Rohan Tungate get injured? Presume if Bjerre gets hurt a Guest can be used but what about the other main team riders?

 

Would BV (and any team) have to promote reserves and bring in juniors to replace their promotion into the main body of the team or will there be an 'in the interest of Speedway' rule..?

[bruno]

shambles

[racers and royals]

So what happens if Steve Worrall, Craig Cook or Rohan Tungate get injured? Presume if Bjerre gets hurt a Guest can be used but what about the other main team riders?

 

Would BV (and any team) have to promote reserves and bring in juniors to replace their promotion into the main body of the team or will there be an 'in the interest of Speedway' rule..?

The rules don`t say you can`t use the normal facilities- just you can`t sign someone- so guest and R/R if 2 of top 5 are out.

[IronScorpion]

So basically the Aces have to ride the rest of the season with a 6 man team ?,

What a joke this sport as become

I could see this happening as injuries are part of our sport & to run 3 months after no replacements are allowed was a stupid rule. More so because of minimal fixtures planned because of Pairs/Cardiff, World Team Cup & 4's all in July. A date towards the end of August would have been better. Again, lack of planning & forward thinking.

 

To cover this scenario & to stop a Lindback/Woffinden signing, cover could be granted for a 28 day period by signing a rider that has ridden in the said league(PL,CL or NL) but if the rider recovers enough to ride for any other team in any league then the rider is deemed fit and the cover removed. The rider then returns to the team or, if he refuses for any reason, r/r to be used.

[ouch]

A real shame for Max especially coming just after he sorted his set ups for the NSS which bagged him a max. Get well soon mate.

 

BSPA must be chuffed after reverting back to rules that when last in place cost us the cup when Kenneth was injured and now sees our hopes scuppered once again.

 

There'll be no special dispensation happening here I'm afraid as we're not in their little club so r/r see effectively a 6 pointer replacing him over the four heats.

 

Roll on next year.

Edited August 2, 2017 by ouch

[Steve Shovlar]

Bachelor. Whatever man. It's just names.

My point is clear. Last year a certain club brought in a certain rider by the name of lindback

Faked an injury to a certain other person to make it happen.

It's bollox. Now a genuine injury and club's have to sufferIt's clear as day Fricke has a genuine injury

The BSPA need to use common sense here. Yet more r/r!!!

Not sure why you are quoting Lindback. He was bought in as cover for Andersen who had a season ending hand injury caused coincidentally by one Max Fricke at Leicester.

 

Think you should use the Wolverhampton/Woffinden swap as the example. Brought in to replace Kylmakorpi with the sole purpose of strengthening before the playoffs. That is the very reason the rules were changed. Not Lindback for an injured rider.

[Bluenose]

A squad system was mentioned on the forum last close season, seems the way to go next season?

 

As i see it, next season the Premier League should let teams pick the normal 1-7 with 2 riders added from Championship

for their squad.

 

Same for the Championship + 2 riders from the National League.

 

It would help if the 2 Leagues rode on a specific day each week?

 

Otherwise rules are RULES.!

[Call me wolfie]

Not sure why you are quoting Lindback. He was bought in as cover for Andersen who had a season ending hand injury caused coincidentally by one Max Fricke at Leicester.

 

Think you should use the Wolverhampton/Woffinden swap as the example. Brought in to replace Kylmakorpi with the sole purpose of strengthening before the playoffs. That is the very reason the rules were changed. Not Lindback for an injured rider.

Lindbacks first meeting was the playoff semi final, Woffinden was brought in 5 or 6 meetings before the end of the season and before we had even qualified for them. Plus Kylmakorpi had been out for a month with a bad injury and his first meeting back got him 0 points at home. There was also much debate about Andersens season ending injury if I remember correctly. Strange how people see things how they want to!!!

[mikebv]

The rules don`t say you can`t use the normal facilities- just you can`t sign someone- so guest and R/R if 2 of top 5 are out.

Get that, but what if two (or even three) more of our riders get injured? Do we run with a three man team and RR for the other four?😁

 

Injuries happen often in Speedway so it would be no surprise to see more riders sitting out the season.

 

No signings allowed appears to be somewhat of a daft rule in a Sport so impacted by the high risk of injury...

 

Understand why the rule was brought in, but it's really using a 'sledgehammer to crack a walnut'..

 

Everyone could see Tai last year was several levels up from the rider he replaced but Speedways slavish 'average following' suggested otherwise..

 

Some common sense decision making then, by 'whoever' makes these astonishing decisions, would have meant no need for an equally unsuitable ruling this year...

Edited August 2, 2017 by mikebv

[Call me wolfie]

Get that, but what if two (or even three) more of our riders get injured? Do we run with a three man team and RR for the other four?😁

 

Injuries happen often in Speedway so it would be no surprise to see more riders sitting out the season.

 

No signings allowed appears to be somewhat of a daft rule in a Sport so impacted by the high risk of injury...

 

Understand why the rule is brought it, but it's really using a 'sledgehammer to crack a walnut'..

 

Everyone could see Tai last year was several levels up from the rider he replaced but Speedways slavish average following suggested otherwise..

 

Some common sense decision making then by 'whoever' makes these astonishing decisions would have meant no need for an equally unsuitable ruling this year...

Can only use r/r for 1 rider, all other injuries covered by guest facility

[waiheke1]

Not sure why you are quoting Lindback. He was bought in as cover for Andersen who had a season ending hand injury caused coincidentally by one Max Fricke at Leicester.

 

Think you should use the Wolverhampton/Woffinden swap as the example. Brought in to replace Kylmakorpi with the sole purpose of strengthening before the playoffs. That is the very reason the rules were changed. Not Lindback for an injured rider.

not true Steve.

There are two rule changes this season:

first one is the early deadline of 31st July for any changes. That one is brought in to prevent moves like the Wolves Tai for Joonas swap.

 

However, the rule change which impacts Belle Vue is the removal of the provision for changes after the deadline in case of injury. That change is clearly brought in as a response to last year, when Poole replaced Hans with Lindback due to Hans's "season ending" injury, which proved to be a misnomer as he raced again overseas.

Get that, but what if two (or even three) more of our riders get injured? Do we run with a three man team and RR for the other four?

 

 

 

well obviously you don't get it, as he explained what would happen in that situation but you've asked the same question

If you had two injuries you run RR and a guest. If you have 3 injuries, you run RR and two guests etc.

[Steve Shovlar]

Lindbacks first meeting was the playoff semi final, Woffinden was brought in 5 or 6 meetings before the end of the season and before we had even qualified for them. Plus Kylmakorpi had been out for a month with a bad injury and his first meeting back got him 0 points at home. There was also much debate about Andersens season ending injury if I remember correctly. Strange how people see things how they want to!!!

Considering Andersen never rode again last season bar one aborted effort, it is safe to assume that Lindback coming in was a genuine injury replacement.

 

Woffinden on the other hand was Wolves strengthening up for the playoffs and the sole reason the rules were changed in the winter.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Steve Shovlar

[foreverblue]

not true Steve.

There are two rule changes this season:

first one is the early deadline of 31st July for any changes. That one is brought in to prevent moves like the Wolves Tai for Joonas swap.

 

However, the rule change which impacts Belle Vue is the removal of the provision for changes after the deadline in case of injury. That change is clearly brought in as a response to last year, when Poole replaced Hans with Lindback due to Hans's "season ending" injury, which proved to be a misnomer as he raced again overseas.

 

 

well obviously you don't get it, as he explained what would happen in that situation but you've asked the same question

If you had two injuries you run RR and a guest. If you have 3 injuries, you run RR and two guests etc.

Hans only raced once which was a mistake and didn't ride again.

Edited August 2, 2017 by foreverblue

[waiheke1]

Considering Andersen never rode again last season bar one aborted effort, it is safe to assume that Lindback coming in was a genuine injury replacement.

 

Woffinden on the other hand was Wolves strengthening up for the playoffs and the sole reason the rules were changed in the winter.

steve - can you confirm how you believe removing the rule which allowed injury replacements after the transfer deadline is in anyway related to Tai coming into replace Joonas at Wolves?

As opposed to the post deadline injury replacement of Lindback for Hans?

[SteveLyric2]

I'm sure BT Sport will be delighted to show their first play-offs with teams potentially full of guests and r/r?! Madness.

Edited August 2, 2017 by Skidder1

[mikebv]

So potentially the Aces (or anyone else) could end up with a team of three Guests and RR in the Play off Final if say four riders got injured...?

 

If so, could they then cherry pick their riders based on which other team they race against in the Final?

 

ie run with one RR and three guests who are track specialists at the Final opponents track for the away leg, and RR and three different guests who ride well around the NSS for the home leg?

 

Wouldnt be allowed to happen surely?

 

If so, it must be better for the team to sign some bona fide replacements for the credibilty purposes of the Sport...?

Edited August 2, 2017 by mikebv

[racers and royals]

So potentially the Aces (or anyone else) could end up with a team of three Guests and RR in the Play off Final if say four riders got injured...?

 

If so, could they then cherry pick their riders based on which other team they race against in the Final?

 

ie run with one RR and three guests who are track specialists at the Final opponents track for the away leg, and RR and three different guests who ride well around the NSS for the home leg?

 

Wouldnt be allowed to happen surely?

 

If so, it must be better for the team to sign some bona fide replacements for the credibilty purposes of the Sport...?

not as simple as that and I quote

 

18.12.6 No Rider, whose Team is in the Play-Offs may appear as a Guest in the Play-Offs.