Belle Vue 2017

[Argos]

Is George Carswell involved?

[Rob B]

Is George Carswell involved?

No doesn't seem to be.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Time to move on now from this sorry and damaging saga, what's done is done time to make belle vue the success it should be

[Phil The Ace]

I liked Eddie smiths comment about southwell and rice being pain in the arses to deal with.

 

That says everything you need to know about the guys.

 

They always get what they set out to do even if it takes longer than it should.

 

This should bold well for us in the future. And hopefully for speedway in general in this country.

 

They will not be walked over.

 

Happy days are round the corner

Edited February 24, 2017 by Phil The Ace

[hyderd]

 

See why Morton & Gordon were booted out, that's shocking

 

 

As the clerk has already said the track 3 and 4 bends were soft in the afternoon ..its a myth that the problem only came at night ..Gordon and Morton were hoping the riders were just poodle round and get some kind of meeting done so they never had to give any refunds out . where has all the gate money sky and sponsor money gone from last year if no bills were being paid .maybe mr riseing seeing he so freindly with gordon can give some answers

 

Is it so hard to wait until we can legally hear the old promotions side of things.

[OveFundinFan]

Truly is time to move on but some are a "bit" stubborn to do that.

I try one more time and the last time.

 

Quote from Dave Gordon in the SS... "in the week leading up to the opening event the weather was dry but cold and eventually the track showed signs of reacting positively to all the preparation work and the Speedway Control Bureau (SCB) inspectors, Graham Reeve and Alan Bridget, made two visits during the week and the track was tested during daytime and signed off and officially certified by the SCB on March 18"

 

Note 2 inspectors from SCB signed the track off and officially certified it as such.

 

A problem was known, but no one knew what the problem was.....the real problem was hidden, only to be revealed fully when the track was done up. Initially it was thought bend 3-4 was not settled as much as the other parts of the track as bends 3-4 were the last to be completed.

 

As to finance... DG says "we had spent and committed £350k in the immediate run-up to the stadium opening on track and stadium equipment, stadium systems and IT" I presume that is part of the £500k that the new promotors are having to pay now.

 

Is there anything there that the doubters/questioners dont understand. If not, then lets move on..

[waytogo28]

I liked Eddie smiths comment about southwell and rice being pain in the arses to deal with.

 

That says everything you need to know about the guys.

 

They always get what they set out to do even if it takes longer than it should.

 

This should bold well for us in the future. And hopefully for speedway in general in this country.

 

They will not be walked over.

 

Happy days are round the corner

 

The Aces are riding in 2017 and so that is a reason to believe that happy days are around the corner. But if these new promoters are anything like suggested here i.e. " they will not be walked over" how well are they going to get on with the BSPA, now that they are members? Is change really going to come from within at last? Several others have tried including those with business acumen and they have failed.

[Phil The Ace]

 

The Aces are riding in 2017 and so that is a reason to believe that happy days are around the corner. But if these new promoters are anything like suggested here i.e. " they will not be walked over" how well are they going to get on with the BSPA, now that they are members? Is change really going to come from within at last? Several others have tried including those with business acumen and they have failed.

Yep. It's a massive test for them. It's going to be interesting in how they react to the bspa's stubbornness

[Tsunami]

Yes I sure can.

 

They are having to pay around 500k to pay of debts so straight away they are starting on a negative.

 

Therefore they have a smaller budget for a few years till as they say steady the ship and then go from there

And yet there are some on here who complain about the Chairman of the BSPA contacting the MCC to get more facts, having heard presumably that big numbers were being clocked up by G and M. He must have been horrified at the debt levels which were totally unrealistic.

 

Anyway, delighted that with all parties getting together and thrashing out what seems to be a reasonable deal to all. We can now move on with live speedway, but i think some defendants of the clubs activities this season need to take stock of their 'loyalty'.

[hyderd]

And yet there are some on here who complain about the Chairman of the BSPA contacting the MCC to get more facts, having heard presumably that big numbers were being clocked up by G and M. He must have been horrified at the debt levels which were totally unrealistic.

 

Anyway, delighted that with all parties getting together and thrashing out what seems to be a reasonable deal to all. We can now move on with live speedway, but i think some defendants of the clubs activities this season need to take stock of their 'loyalty'.

only when the full facts are published, we could have a very long wait, maybe even years.

[bellevueace]

If the amount MCC withheld from ISG over the track/stadium defects had been given as compensation to G&M wouldn't that have covered the stated £500,000 the new owners have allegedly cleared? I was under the impression that money from MCC had not been forthcoming hence the formers financial difficulties, or have I got that wrong?

[R87]

Given the apparent level of debt run up, Belle vue are very fortunate to be coming to the tapes this year. Other sports may have seen them kicked out of the league.

[Trevor]

It was encouraging to hear last night that commitment to have Belle Vue at the NSS is firm, right up to the top man at the MCC.

[OveFundinFan]

If the amount MCC withheld from ISG over the track/stadium defects had been given as compensation to G&M wouldn't that have covered the stated £500,000 the new owners have allegedly cleared? I was under the impression that money from MCC had not been forthcoming hence the formers financial difficulties, or have I got that wrong?

Thats how understand it.

having laid out £350,000 on the stadium on the lead up to the opening meeting, BV promoters needed matches at home to generate income.

The cancelled PC Mem meeting cost promoters money, then a run of home meetings cancelled meant more income lost, whilst away matches played costing the promoters more money. The die was set, playing catch up was too difficult. The loss assessors calculated the loss of business amounted to £696,782, a sum MCC didnt pay to ICG, neither did it pay to the BV promoters it appears, if they had then things may well have been very different.

[gee jay]

i can understand the relief , even euphoria of fans to finally see real progress instead of rumours and promises but is a Premier Lge strength Peter Craven Memorial (at best) a fair exchange for any fan who has held on to their ticket to help the club , remembering that the original line-up was probably not even bettered by the british g.p.

[foamfence]

i can understand the relief , even euphoria of fans to finally see real progress instead of rumours and promises but is a Premier Lge strength Peter Craven Memorial (at best) a fair exchange for any fan who has held on to their ticket to help the club , remembering that the original line-up was probably not even bettered by the british g.p.

I think that's just nitpicking, the bigger picture should please everyone, whether they bought tickets or not.

[Aces51]

And yet there are some on here who complain about the Chairman of the BSPA contacting the MCC to get more facts, having heard presumably that big numbers were being clocked up by G and M. He must have been horrified at the debt levels which were totally unrealistic.

 

Anyway, delighted that with all parties getting together and thrashing out what seems to be a reasonable deal to all. We can now move on with live speedway, but i think some defendants of the clubs activities this season need to take stock of their 'loyalty'.

 

You misunderstand. The criticism of the BSPA was that they went behind the back of the promotion. If it was genuinely, as you suggest, to get more facts then surely they should also have spoken to the promotion to ensure that they at least had both sides of the story. As we now know the debts were largely, if not entirely, due to the problems with the track and the stadium. If the chairman had bothered to speak first to those he owed an allegiance to, as members of the BSPA, he may well still have been horrified but with the standard of work done by the contractors and the financial affects that had Gordon and Morton.

[nw42]

i can understand the relief , even euphoria of fans to finally see real progress instead of rumours and promises but is a Premier Lge strength Peter Craven Memorial (at best) a fair exchange for any fan who has held on to their ticket to help the club , remembering that the original line-up was probably not even bettered by the british g.p.

 

 

If it upsets you that much I'll have your ticket off you, face value. That will save you from having to complain about the lack of permanent toilet facilities, or whatever else you could find to whinge about, sorted.

[PHILIPRISING]

As the clerk has already said the track 3 and 4 bends were soft in the afternoon ..its a myth that the problem only came at night ..Gordon and Morton were hoping the riders were just poodle round and get some kind of meeting done so they never had to give any refunds out . where has all the gate money sky and sponsor money gone from last year if no bills were being paid .maybe mr riseing seeing he so freindly with gordon can give some answers

AS Shale Searcher explained (post 2188) proceeds from Sky and gate receipts simply went into a big black hole from previously incurred debt, some of which had been carried forward year on year from Kirky Lane. I remember saying to Chris Morton at the play-off final against Wolves, with a big crowd at the NSS, that at least their season would finish with a good pay day. His curt reply: "But we won't see any of it."

 

There were concerns about the track in the days leading up to the opening but you ignore the fact that it passed an SCB inspection the day before.

 

The fact remains that had ISG properly constructed the base section of turns 3/4 as they had elsewhere and subsequently did there too this whole sorry chapter in British speedway would never have taken place.

[Grand Central]

I would assume that the £500K, debt that the new promoters have 'accepted' is not the sum total of the debt of the 2016 promotion.

Or have hardy any direct relation to it.

 

The unpaid rent of £350,000 plus other MCC expenses incurred in 2016 may form part of the 500K.

And the BSPA will have got in there to get their expenses covered; including the unpaid 'speedway debts'.

I cannot imagine that many other creditors of the 2016 promotion will have had much say in this at all.

 

One would expect that the astute business men that the new owners are, would not be so foolish as to then just accept a straight summation of these figures. They would have negotiatied it 'down' to 500K.

 

Until someone leaks more documents the rather 'back of the envelope calculations' we are offering could be massively wide of the true mark

Edited February 24, 2017 by Grand Central