waiheke1 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) The swc was the only occasion temporary seating was hired?ok so what is the 65k that Phil riding refers to as the cost from March to October to rent the South terracing? And the 18k he mentions for the East stand? 10k per month for toilets also seems ludicrously high? Edited February 8, 2017 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 ok so what is the 65k that Phil riding refers to as the cost from March to October to rent the South terracing? And the 18k he mentions for the East stand? 10k per month for toilets also seems ludicrously high? £10k a month for loos is more than acceptable with all the $#!t and p!$$ing about that was going on.............................!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) THESE are figures we have acquired but so far not fully verified although certainly confirmed in the loss assessors statement ... Temporary toilets cost BV £10k per month, £70k to rent for the season, South terracing cost £65k to rent from March until Octoberand West £18k.There were many weeks when BV had no meeting and these facilities weren't even used. East Grandstand cost £60k just for 2016 SWC...which BV paid for as part of their agreement with BSI and would have been profitable had they not already run out of money and relied on BSI to ensure that the SWC meetings went ahead. It is also worth mentioning that the fact that the terracing under the south stand was temporary, the capacity in that area was reduced by council officials from 3,500 to 1,900. .Bearing all of that in mind. The new promotion would be back up sh!t creek if that is still the state of the place for 2017. Surely there will need to be an awful lot of building work done before the doors open this year. Has that been agreed and work started? In this excellent 'serialised' version of the Star article under embargo we are learning much that portays the council as blackguards. And evidently rightly so as they sound nasty, incompetent and untrustworthy folk. So what has so changed now that gives us real hope for the future of speedway in contuning relation with the same people at MCC? Any more than CM and DG had this time last year? When everything was reported as so, so rosy. And very eloquently by yourself. Edited February 8, 2017 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 £10k a month for loos is more than acceptable with all the $#!t and p!$$ing about that was going on.............................!! You do talk a load of cr@p!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 . Bearing all of that in mind. The new promotion would be back up sh!t creek if that is still the state of the place for 2017. Surely there will need to be an awful lot of building work done before the doors open this year. Has that been agreed and work started? In this excellent 'serialised' version of the Star article under embargo we are learning much that portays the council as blackguards. And evidently rightly so as they sound nasty, incompetent and untrustworthy folk. So what has so changed now that gives us real hope for the future of speedway in contuning relation with the same people at MCC? Any more than CM and DG had this time last year? When everything was reported as so, so rosy. And very eloquently by yourself. I don't think there is an issue with whether the stadium was fit for purpose last season. The very fact that the SWC meeting and EL Grand Final were held (very successfully) indicates that even with the temporary stands and toilets you can run speedway meetings there, so while it is obviously the case that the additional work needs to be undertaken at some point there is nothing stopping the Aces and Colts running even if the stadium is as it was in November. The thing is more to do with the cost and who is required to pay for any temporary measures. I have little doubt that that was resolved before the new owners completed their takeover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) I don't really know what's going on at Belle Vue, so forgive me, but is there any idea when your first signings might be announced? The season is not that far away! In the Premier AND National league Edited February 8, 2017 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I'm confused by this Belle Vue situation. The BV web site has nothing on it since the press release announcing the release of the fixture list. So it that's the information "bible", then there is little in the way of "New Testament" in there. Likewise the BSPA web site has no recent news about Belle Vue. Are promoters in place? Are riders getting signed? the BV Fans Facebook page is over-run by more fake news than the Donald Trump presidential campaign, so I don't know what to believe and what not (probably mostly "not") Can someone please clarify what the situation is please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Anyway , back to more pressing matters 1/ Fricke 9.92 2/ Berge 6.91 3/ S Worrall 8.47 4/ Sedgman 7.60 5/ Cook 9.83 6/ Jacobs. 5.36 7/ 2.00 ?????? Edited February 8, 2017 by WestGorton1884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) I don't think there is an issue with whether the stadium was fit for purpose last season. The very fact that the SWC meeting and EL Grand Final were held (very successfully) indicates that even with the temporary stands and toilets you can run speedway meetings there, so while it is obviously the case that the additional work needs to be undertaken at some point there is nothing stopping the Aces and Colts running even if the stadium is as it was in November. The thing is more to do with the cost and who is required to pay for any temporary measures. I have little doubt that that was resolved before the new owners completed their takeover. . Of course it is about the costs! Who in their right mind would spend 70k on renting bogs! But they did! Are they all mad enough to do it again? Or, are they really being built for this season, that is what I was asking. Edited February 8, 2017 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ok just read online the grandstand capacity is 1800. So Why wouldn't it have been viable to not hire the other temporary seating except for the play offs? Am I missing something? Ok just read online the grandstand capacity is 1800. So Why wouldn't it have been viable to not hire the other temporary seating except for the play offs? Am I missing something? IT wasn't seating ... it was terracing. ok so what is the 65k that Phil riding refers to as the cost from March to October to rent the South terracing? And the 18k he mentions for the East stand? 10k per month for toilets also seems ludicrously high? The £18 grand was for the West stand ... first bend. A temporary grandstand (seats)) was installed at the west end of the stadium for the SWC and was sold out. I'm confused by this Belle Vue situation. The BV web site has nothing on it since the press release announcing the release of the fixture list. So it that's the information "bible", then there is little in the way of "New Testament" in there. Likewise the BSPA web site has no recent news about Belle Vue. Are promoters in place? Are riders getting signed? the BV Fans Facebook page is over-run by more fake news than the Donald Trump presidential campaign, so I don't know what to believe and what not (probably mostly "not") Can someone please clarify what the situation is please? A new company called Belle Vue 2017 was registered at Company's House on February 3rd. It has two directors, one of whom is a former CEO of Cable & Wireless. Both have been 'High-flyers' in some very big British companies. . Of course it is about the costs! Who in their right mind would spend 70k on renting bogs! But they did! Are they all mad enough to do it again? Or, are they really being built for this season, that is what I was asking. GOOD questions but another week has gone by with silence from MCC now deafening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 A new company called Belle Vue 2017 was registered at Company's House on February 3rd. It has two directors, one of whom is a former CEO of Cable & Wireless. Both have been 'High-flyers' in some very big British companies. OK, so is it known, or just assumed that the new company is connected? Have there been any announcements or press releases on the subject? Who will be the SCB / BSPA licensed promoter? Will it be one of the directors, or will they have to hire-in a promoter? I have seen tweets from ex-2016 Belle Vue riders that they still have not been paid for 2016. Won't these debts need to be cleared before the venture can go forward? And why did the BSPA not clear these debts out of their Bond money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Tony Rice looks like a man with his hands in a lot of pies and certainly not short of capital. Robin Southwell isn't short of a bob or two either. Looks like the perfect match to take the Belle Vue project forward without any threats to it's future at all Only positives can come out of this and this pair will certainly rattle Ford's cage. Belle Vue are back Well done Buster in getting shot of the previous pair of calamity morons Robin Southwell seems to have some interesting business connections according to today's Private Eye (page 37), which would no doubt make him fit right in at the BSPA. Here's an earlier PE piece on Mr Southwell: http://www.ianfraser.org/eads-chief-executive-robin-southwell-drawn-into-a-hornets-nest/ Edited February 8, 2017 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Robin Southwell seems to have some interesting business connections according to today's Private Eye (page 37), which would no doubt make him fit right in at the BSPA. Here's an earlier PE piece on Mr Southwell: http://www.ianfraser.org/eads-chief-executive-robin-southwell-drawn-into-a-hornets-nest/ And in English please for us thickos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Robin Southwell seems to have some interesting business connections according to today's Private Eye (page 37), which would no doubt make him fit right in at the BSPA. Here's an earlier PE piece on Mr Southwell: http://www.ianfraser.org/eads-chief-executive-robin-southwell-drawn-into-a-hornets-nest/ Fit in the the BSPA?? More likely to run rings around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Here is a copy of a reply from SpeedwayGB to a tweet I sent them. Their answer first with my question second. Sorry for the formatting. SpeedwayGB @SpeedwayGB 3m3 minutes ago More Share via Direct Message Copy link to Tweet Embed Tweet Mute @SpeedwayGB Unmute @SpeedwayGB Block @SpeedwayGB Unblock @SpeedwayGB Report Tweet More New Moment SpeedwayGB Retweeted Stuart Dixon Team in place. Promoters in place. Stadium in place.https://twitter.com/stuartdixon4/status/829350947860119553 … SpeedwayGB added, Stuart Dixon @StuartDixon4 @SpeedwayGB You may say that and you have said it before. But, we have no team, no promoter, no stadium, no riders - in fact nothing. This is not a joke or a fake, I do neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Robin Southwell ... would no doubt make him fit right in at the BSPA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, before Robin Southwell can hold a promoters license he has to be a non-voting member of the BSPA for 2 years, kind of on a "seen and not heard" basis. And then the BSPA has the right to refuse to issue him a license if his face doesn't fit. 2 years is plenty of time for a clued-up business person to see the BSPA for what they are, and just like Rick Frost and Julie Mahoney at Peterborough, get thoroghly pea'd off with the whole shebang, and want to get out of there. He'll not want to run rings around it, he'll want to run away as fast as his legs will take him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, before Robin Southwell can hold a promoters license he has to be a non-voting member of the BSPA for 2 years, kind of on a "seen and not heard" basis. And then the BSPA has the right to refuse to issue him a license if his face doesn't fit. 2 years is plenty of time for a clued-up business person to see the BSPA for what they are, and just like Rick Frost and Julie Mahoney at Peterborough, get thoroghly pea'd off with the whole shebang, and want to get out of there. He'll not want to run rings around it, he'll want to run away as fast as his legs will take him. But he won't be promoter. Just owner. Mark lemon and another are going to be promoters And I must say. You do alot of worrying about us but if I was you I would worry about what your teams plans are in 2018. <p> Here is a copy of a reply from SpeedwayGB to a tweet I sent them. Their answer first with my question second. Sorry for the formatting. SpeedwayGB @SpeedwayGB 3m3 minutes ago More Share via Direct Message Copy link to Tweet Embed Tweet Mute @SpeedwayGB Unmute @SpeedwayGB Block @SpeedwayGB Unblock @SpeedwayGB Report Tweet More New Moment SpeedwayGB Retweeted Stuart Dixon Team in place. Promoters in place. Stadium in place.https://twitter.com/stuartdixon4/status/829350947860119553 SpeedwayGB added, Stuart Dixon @StuartDixon4 @SpeedwayGB You may say that and you have said it before. But, we have no team, no promoter, no stadium, no riders - in fact nothing. This is not a joke or a fake, I do neither. Fake tweet!!!!! Edited February 8, 2017 by Phil The Ace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Anyway , back to more pressing matters 1/ Fricke 9.92 2/ Berge 6.91 3/ S Worrall 8.47 4/ Sedgman 7.60 5/ Cook 9.83 6/ Jacobs. 5.36 7/ 2.00 ?????? 1. Matej Zagar 10.47 2. Joe Jacobs 5.36 3. Richie Worrall 8.49 4. Steve Worrall 8.47 5. Craig Cook 9.83 6. Lee Payne 2.68 7. Dan Bewley 3.90 Weak reserves but strong top 4, but if that's seen as a problem this might be more appealing 1. Craig Cook 9.83 2. Justin Sedgemen 7.60 3. Steve Worrall 8.47 4. Jonas B Andersen 6.30 (Or 6.35 to play with) (Or 8.25 to play with, with Shuttleworth at reserve, Richard Lawson, Ricky Wells?) 5. Richie Worrall 8.49 6. Joe Jacobs 5.36 7. Dan Bewley 3.90 (Or Rob Shuttleworth 2.00) Edited February 8, 2017 by Dandelion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I responded to a tweet, reputedly from SpeedwayGB , saying everything in place by saying we had nothing. They reputedly replied as my posting. The formatting reflects my lack of technical skill not being fake. Mind you there have been any number of these recently on the Aces fan page on Facebook which a certain Mr Mullally is very prominent contributor of which all of his are genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Something Speedway has been crying out for. A Speedway promoter with a lot of money ...welcome Robin Southwell and if you are as successful as in all your other business ventures , Belle Vue has a bright future Hope he does not turn out like Stuart Bamforth though Edited February 8, 2017 by mickthemuppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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