waytogo28 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I wonder where Rosco took the boys this year. McDonalds, or Burger King, or simply didn't bother at all? The result was there for all to see. GB were an embarrassing shambles in that final, with our chance of a bronze medal disappearing when our 30-year-old captain was beaten by a 17-year-old Russian kid. Russian tracked only one rider who anyone had heard of before the World Cup. And still beat us. Time to try something different. Let Woffy have a go with his five-year-plan. All the best Rob Nothing to lose if we do this and everything to gain. I can see no improvement as we are and IF it is Rossiter who TW can't work with he should step aside . And IF the riders would accept it a positive step forward we should go that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Nothing to lose if we do this and everything to gain. I can see no improvement as we are and IF it is Rossiter who TW can't work with he should step aside . And IF the riders would accept it a positive step forward we should go that way. I think it's a great shame that people are advocating that a rider's opinion of a manager should dictate. There's a professional maturity that should be held between rider and manager, if one or the other can't get on then it has to be the rider that goes. Once you go down the road of rider's dictating it's asking for trouble. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Normally I'd totally agree with that but when the rider is light years ahead of the rest of the team in every way then maybe he should be listened to or nothing will ever change. Difficult one though letting a rider dictate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think it's a great shame that people are advocating that a rider's opinion of a manager should dictate. There's a professional maturity that should be held between rider and manager, if one or the other can't get on then it has to be the rider that goes. Once you go down the road of rider's dictating it's asking for trouble. Normally I would agree but this is extreme circumstances. Also, Rossiter is purely another example of Jobs for the boys anyway, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I wonder where Rosco took the boys this year. McDonalds, or Burger King, or simply didn't bother at all? The result was there for all to see. GB were an embarrassing shambles in that final, with our chance of a bronze medal disappearing when our 30-year-old captain was beaten by a 17-year-old Russian kid. Russian tracked only one rider who anyone had heard of before the World Cup. And still beat us. Time to try something different. Let Woffy have a go with his five-year-plan. All the best Rob Team GB had lunch at the same hotel I was staying at, rest assured they ALL ate very healthy with the fitness coach present 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Some of you make out they are unhealthy slobs! None of them are stupid. The failure of TeamGB to be placed in the SWC final was nothing to do with their lack of fitness but their lack of experience, something they will try to address I'm sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 they do have to eat somewhere FFS. Nandos is chicken. Nowt wrong with that. Rosco got team selection right against the Aussies. The opposition was weak but England won. My observation about Rosco is he is too close to the riders, trying to be too friendly. Doesnt happen in other sports, managers do not mix with the team. There has to be some fear. No need to get your knickers in a knot!!! I never said there was anything wrong with Nando's. I was simply trying to be helpful and add info for those that didn't know. If you don't like me doing that feel free to ignore me I'm making no comment on Rosco cos you might get something else in a knot and end up singing soprano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) IT is well known that one of the reasons Woffinden won't race for Team GB is because he doesn't agree with the appointment of Alun Rossiter as manager. He is not alone. Alun talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Now while I accept that riders shouldn't dictate who should or should not be manager I might think that the BSPA, when appointing the manager, would make sure they were aware of the feelings off the riders and especially their only world class performer. Tai wanted a more professional approach to the British team off the track and while some of his demands, including commercial ownership of the team, were never going to happen others could and should have been accommodated. Tai demanded his own level of professionalism not only from his team-mates, which he would have got, but from the management team as well and that simply wasn't forthcoming. Who's the man for the job then Phil if you want Rosco out. Who is Woffinden friendly enough to get the job ? Time for you to walk the walk A significant quote from Patryck Dudek: “On the Friday, we stayed in the hotel with the whole team and we all were talking all the time. The atmosphere was perfect this year in Leszno. Everything was good, very organised and we spent time with the boys. We got a good result – the gold medal.” I saw the Aussies all together , team bonding, all eating and drinking healthy , unfortunately this was on Sunday after they had been eliminated, are you.suggesting Team GB's build up was not correct. What more could Team GB have done under Rosco,? Spotted All eating at the team hotel, all attending the race off, all in Team GB tracksuits , even the riders went into quote claiming all the guys were mates and the team spirit was excellent. What more could have been done ? IT is well known that one of the reasons Woffinden won't race for Team GB is because he doesn't agree with the appointment of Alun Rossiter as manager. He is not alone. Alun talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Now while I accept that riders shouldn't dictate who should or should not be manager I might think that the BSPA, when appointing the manager, would make sure they were aware of the feelings off the riders and especially their only world class performer. Tai wanted a more professional approach to the British team off the track and while some of his demands, including commercial ownership of the team, were never going to happen others could and should have been accommodated. Tai demanded his own level of professionalism not only from his team-mates, which he would have got, but from the management team as well and that simply wasn't forthcoming. Strange how Woffindens' reasons for not racing for Team GB according to you is linked to Rosco's appointment, but he is prepared to put that to one side to make himself available for the World Games on his home track in Poland, with err Rosco in charge ! Edited July 12, 2017 by New Science 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Who's the man for the job then Phil if you want Rosco out. Who is Woffinden friendly enough to get the job ? Time for you to walk the walk I saw the Aussies all together , team bonding, all eating and drinking healthy , unfortunately this was on Sunday after they had been eliminated, are you.suggesting Team GB's build up was not correct. What more could Team GB have done under Rosco,? Spotted All eating at the team hotel, all attending the race off, all in Team GB tracksuits , even the riders went into quote claiming all the guys were mates and the team spirit was excellent. What more could have been done ? Strange how Woffindens' reasons for not racing for Team GB according to you is linked to Rosco's appointment, but he is prepared to put that to one side to make himself available for the World Games on his home track in Poland, with err Rosco in charge ! What is more important to the team for the best result ? An ex 2 time world champ who scores heavily or a team manager who fills in his program. No contest. Bring back Woffy.. Edited July 12, 2017 by marky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Who's the man for the job then Phil if you want Rosco out. Who is Woffinden friendly enough to get the job ? Time for you to walk the walk Phil is giving us his insight not suggesting who should be GB Manager. You may not like Phil's comments or Woffinden's attitude but are you saying there are no problems with Team GB? We were lucky to go direct to the final. A great result at Kings Lynn covered over the fact that on the world stage we will never place anywhere till Woffinden is back and the rest of the team sharpen up their track craft and equipment. What is for Certain Rosco is not helping them with either. What is more important to the team for the best result ? An ex 2 time world champ who scores heavily or a team manager who fills in his program. No contest. Bring back Woffy.. Correct Edited July 13, 2017 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Some of you make out they are unhealthy slobs! None of them are stupid. The failure of TeamGB to be placed in the SWC final was nothing to do with their lack of fitness but their lack of experience, something they will try to address I'm sure. What's the plan for addressing the lack of experience? Will British riders be allowed to take part in the Speedway Pairs competition? Will British riders be allowed to take part in the SEC? How many years has it been said that Cook (and Ben Barker before him) should stop riding in the Championship and get a team berth in Poland, and still he's to turn a wheel in anger there. At 30 years old he's hardly the "young prospect" that the Poles would make a bee-line to sign up if he screws up his chance at Bydgoszcz. Lambert is hadly short of experience in Europe, so what's his excuse? He's only 19 and already has more experience of continental tracks than Worrall and Cook put together. He seems to be doing alright on the u21 stage, so what was the problem? Stage fright? Not being handled right by the team manager? How much experience did the 19 year old Russian bring to the event? Interesting comparison of GB v Poland GB Chris Harris - 34 Craig Cook - 30 Steve Worrall - 25 Robert Lambert - 19 Poland Maceij Janowski - 25 Patryk Dudek - 25 Piotr Pawlicki - 22 Bartosz Zmarzlik - 22 Steve Worrall is as old as Poland's oldest rider. And Poland has plenty more youngsters in the pipeline. I'd say that GB's greatest need is for a new crop of young riders to be produced of the right quality, else the Poles wlll dominate for plenty of years to come. No point pumping experience into a 30 year old croc. No point running teams like Stoke and a league like the NL for the benefit of Speedway's Chelsea Pensioners. Give the resources and experience to young riders in their teens so that when they get to the ages of the Polish riders, they too can ride with pride and produce the results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 ....Will British riders be allowed to take part in the Speedway Pairs competition? Will British riders be allowed to take part in the SEC? .... How much experience did the 19 year old Russian bring to the event? ... Give the resources and experience to young riders in their teens so that when they get to the ages of the Polish riders, they too can ride with pride and produce the results. That's the way to go...but it's only uk martin opinion...and mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 What's the plan for addressing the lack of experience? Will British riders be allowed to take part in the Speedway Pairs competition? Will British riders be allowed to take part in the SEC? How many years has it been said that Cook (and Ben Barker before him) should stop riding in the Championship and get a team berth in Poland, and still he's to turn a wheel in anger there. At 30 years old he's hardly the "young prospect" that the Poles would make a bee-line to sign up if he screws up his chance at Bydgoszcz. Lambert is hadly short of experience in Europe, so what's his excuse? He's only 19 and already has more experience of continental tracks than Worrall and Cook put together. He seems to be doing alright on the u21 stage, so what was the problem? Stage fright? Not being handled right by the team manager? How much experience did the 19 year old Russian bring to the event? Interesting comparison of GB v Poland GB Chris Harris - 34 Craig Cook - 30 Steve Worrall - 25 Robert Lambert - 19 Poland Maceij Janowski - 25 Patryk Dudek - 25 Piotr Pawlicki - 22 Bartosz Zmarzlik - 22 Steve Worrall is as old as Poland's oldest rider. And Poland has plenty more youngsters in the pipeline. I'd say that GB's greatest need is for a new crop of young riders to be produced of the right quality, else the Poles wlll dominate for plenty of years to come. No point pumping experience into a 30 year old croc. No point running teams like Stoke and a league like the NL for the benefit of Speedway's Chelsea Pensioners. Give the resources and experience to young riders in their teens so that when they get to the ages of the Polish riders, they too can ride with pride and produce the results. Every single word you say is correct. To answer your initial question, likely there is no plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Some of you make out they are unhealthy slobs! None of them are stupid. The failure of TeamGB to be placed in the SWC final was nothing to do with their lack of fitness but their lack of experience, something they will try to address I'm sure. There can be offered a lot of excuses, but the real reason was that we werent in the same league as the other teams......we seem over awed by the occasion and they didnt have anyone on the team that inspired them ( i.e Woffy last year) And what really stood out for me, was the cr#p Pearson kept coming out with.....' they've rode their hearts out blah blah blah......as if that's good enough??? And imo.......that has always been the weak mental attitude of a lot of British sportsmen/women.....we always settle for just 'doing our best' etc...... We should be settling for nothing, other than coming 'FIRST' !!! We are not always beaten by better riders/players/teams ??? We are beaten by competitors that WANT it more!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 we always settle for just 'doing our best' etc That is just so British isn't it? Look at the press and the guy who loses does so "bravely" or "heroically". What's that about? A loser is a loser. Stop making losers look good and people won't pride themselves in failure any more. Do what they do in other countries...focus on winners. And by that I mean people who win things, not this new age socialogically correct "everyone's a little winner" crap. Get out there, be the best and WIN! Riders need to want trophies and medals, not hugs and cuddles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 That is just so British isn't it? Look at the press and the guy who loses does so "bravely" or "heroically". What's that about? A loser is a loser. Stop making losers look good and people won't pride themselves in failure any more. Do what they do in other countries...focus on winners. And by that I mean people who win things, not this new age socialogically correct "everyone's a little winner" crap. Get out there, be the best and WIN! Riders need to want trophies and medals, not hugs and cuddles. So you think our riders didn't want to win, you're talking out of your red and white flagged arse MB! You know exactly why the British give support to our sportsmen who don't win, we have the sense to help build their confidence to give it another go. You're as hard as nails, it's so easy to now be a fan of Polish Speedway, they're on a role, just like British Speedway was in the 50s\60s. Let's hope as Poland grows that the same thing that has happened to British Speedway doesn't happen in Poland ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 That is just so British isn't it? Look at the press and the guy who loses does so "bravely" or "heroically". What's that about? A loser is a loser. Stop making losers look good and people won't pride themselves in failure any more. Do what they do in other countries...focus on winners. And by that I mean people who win things, not this new age socialogically correct "everyone's a little winner" crap. Get out there, be the best and WIN! Riders need to want trophies and medals, not hugs and cuddles. Most of this nonsense starts at primary school where it's "the taking part that counts" at many sports days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Most of this nonsense starts at primary school where it's "the taking part that counts" at many sports days. Couldn't agree more !!! I once heard a quote from the former tennis great 'Boris Becker' ? he said the difference between the Brits and the Germans is that 'the Germans are scared of losing, whereas the Brits are scared of winning' !!! I think he was referring to Henman at the time....but it usually hands down to many other sporting forms..... Everyone would agree that we shouldve beat the Russians.....? Yet they wanted it more than us!!! Look how they celebrated their Bronze Medal !? Woffinden was the only one last year that WANTED Gold....that's why he gave his runners up medal away !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Most of this nonsense starts at primary school where it's "the taking part that counts" at many sports days. You and UK Martin seem to being going a bitt ott.Ok i am used to seeing that sort of thing from UKM,but does it reflect the reality?Do we always need to know the UK at sprts etc?Is this just harking back to some old saying that might never have been true and i don't think is nowadays Forget speedway for a moment,if what you say is actually true and the problems start in schools then we would be as bad at every sport as we are at speedway unless speedway riders go to different schools to cyclists etc.The fact is we are pretty good at sports lately.Just look at how many medals we won at the last 2 Olympics as a guide.We actually won more medals in those two Olympics than we did in any previous Olympics going back 100 years-In fact we won double triple or quadruple the amount as in many Olympics from 1924 to 2008!!!! Just look at how great we have done in Cycling over the past decade or so and also look at Tennis just for a few examples.Football?We are currently Under 20 world champions and in the final of theEuropean Under 19's,so what was that you was saying about schools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 I think you could see that Chris Harris wanted it.....he just didnt have the fitness/energy to race for 4 laps ! If you watch the match closely, you will see that he faded after 2/3 laps..... I commend his bravery though and applaud his commitment, considering he was over looked last year! You and UK Martin seem to being going a bitt ott.Ok i am used to seeing that sort of thing from UKM,but does it reflect the reality?Do we always need to know the UK at sprts etc?Is this just harking back to some old saying that might never have been true and i don't think is nowadays Forget speedway for a moment,if what you say is actually true and the problems start in schools then we would be as bad at every sport as we are at speedway unless speedway riders go to different schools to cyclists etc.The fact is we are pretty good at sports lately.Just look at how many medals we won at the last 2 Olympics as a guide.We actually won more medals in those two Olympics than we did in any previous Olympics going back 100 years-In fact we won double triple or quadruple the amount as in many Olympics from 1924 to 2008!!!! Just look at how great we have done in Cycling over the past decade or so and also look at Tennis just for a few examples.Football?We are currently Under 20 world champions and in the final of theEuropean Under 19's,so what was that you was saying about schools? We won more medals for 2 reasons....1. we didnt win that many previous, so anything had to be an improvement and 2. We've started to employ foreign coaches....look at the Rugby team ??? I'm sure the cycling coach is foreign too ? although someone will most likely correct me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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